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freezing water
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: lisound-ga List Price: $5.00 |
Posted:
24 Oct 2003 18:43 PDT
Expires: 23 Nov 2003 17:43 PST Question ID: 269505 |
A half inch copper tube is filled with water like in a garage to supply a hose hook up. How low a temperature has to be reached to cause a rupture of the copper tube? Is time a factor? |
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Re: freezing water
Answered By: hedgie-ga on 25 Oct 2003 14:40 PDT |
It happens at the temperature of zero degrees centigrade ( -32 F). When water freezes, it's volume increases and that causes the rupture. Time is not a factor. There are some assumptions, which are satisfied in a garage: If water is not pure (has disolved salt) temperature will shift, if you are have extreme rates of cooling (fraction of a second) time may become to play role, and answer could be different. | |
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Re: freezing water
From: snsh-ga on 25 Oct 2003 16:45 PDT |
Max density of water = 4-celsius at 1 atm pressure. Really wimpy pipe filled at 4-celcius could break at 3-celsius. |
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Re: freezing water
From: lisound-ga on 26 Oct 2003 17:22 PST |
The original response reported that the pipe wopuld burst at 32 degrees F. It ignores the fact later brought out that the frozen water (ice)continues to expand reaching a maximum volume at minus 4 degrees C. The one comment states that this is the "maximum density" when it really should say, "minimum density" since the same amount of water is taking up more space. To continue, the minimum density point converts to about 25 degrees F. I would expect little volume increase at 32 degrees increasing progressively at the temperature drops to 25. Where between 32 and 25 is the force of expansion great enough to rupture a standard weight half inch copper tube? Incidentally the link to the experiments was very interesting and it also correctly states the density change correctly. |
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Re: freezing water
From: snsh-ga on 27 Oct 2003 10:34 PST |
is min density at -4C ? i just know max density is at +4C that's the temp at the bottom of a frozen lake. chilled water starts expanding at 40F. |
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Re: freezing water
From: racecar-ga on 30 Oct 2003 12:20 PST |
Of course time is a factor. Everyone knows that if you just put the ice cube tray in the freezer for a minute, it will still be full of liquid water. If the temperature in the garage drops low enough to burst your pipes, but doesn't stay there very long, the pipes won't burst. Also, the temperature at which water freezes decreases as the pressure increases. See http://www.chemistrycoach.com/Phase_diagram.htm The freezing temperature decreases very slowly as the pressure increases, but copper tubing is quite strong. For a length of tubing with no defects, it takes about 4000 PSI, or nearly 300 atm. This is for 1/2" nominal Type L hard copper tubing, which is the most common in residential plumbing. (Type L 1/2" tubing has a wall thickness of .04", or 1mm, and copper has a tensile strength of about 400 MPa). If the pipe is Type M, it takes even more pressure. So the temperature required for bursting may be several degrees below 0 C. Unfortunately, I haven't immediately found precise info on the dependence of freezing temperature on pressure, so for now, your question remains unanswered. |
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