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Subject:
schoolmarm's elbow
Category: Health > Conditions and Diseases Asked by: badabing-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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27 Oct 2003 12:59 PST
Expires: 26 Nov 2003 12:59 PST Question ID: 270196 |
afternoon kids, I need a reference for this condition of schoolmarm's elbow. found nursemaid, milkmaid, babysitter, and supermarket elbow among some other standard elbow wackiness. but no schoolmarm. how does a schoolmarm get a bum elbow? hanking on the kids? elbow on the desk? writing at the chalkboard? could you please find me a reference that looks legit? thanks, granny's waitin' |
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Re: schoolmarm's elbow
From: pinkfreud-ga on 27 Oct 2003 13:15 PST |
I gave this a good try, Granny. No joy. My guess is that the strain of writing on a chalkboard might be a likely cause of an elbow-related problem that a schoolmarm might acquire, but that's just me guessing, which isn't exactly a "reference that looks legit." If you saw me, you'd agree. ;-) |
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Re: schoolmarm's elbow
From: badabing-ga on 27 Oct 2003 13:42 PST |
thanks for looking, Our Lady of All Things Pink. had a go at this myself and came up empty. I was hoping someone would have better luck. agree it's probably chalkboard related. 'course if granny were the schoolmarm, it would've developed from reaching in the middle drawer for her whiskey flask. you look legit to me ... but there are three of ya. ;-) love, your granny |
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Re: schoolmarm's elbow
From: ac67-ga on 28 Oct 2003 08:43 PST |
I have not come across the term schoolmarm's elbow, but most of the other terms (with the exception of milkmaid's elbow) are used to describe the same thing: radial head subluxation (similar to dislocation) due to forceful traction on the forearm. In other words, giving a kid's arm a good yank dislocates the elbow. This may be done by the nursemaid or babysitter, or may occur when the child is trying to escape and run amok in the supermarket, hence those names. It also occurs sometimes when holding the child's hand while walking. The child trips and the grown-up pulls on the arm to keep him upright. The combined force of the child falling and the parent pulling the opposite way has the same effect. Also sometimes called temper tantrum elbow, and you can probably imagine how that occurs. The child with this condition will hold the arm at the side, slightly flexed and will tend to resist any attempt to move the elbow. It can be reduced with a simple technique, after which the child will start moving it freely and without apparent pain, though it is subject to recurrence for awhile until things have had a chance to heal. Although this is speculation on my part, I can picture the old fashioned schoolmarm pulling a misbehaving kid by the arm and having a similar effect. I just haven't seen the term used before. This info comes from my knowledge as a pediatrician, who has also had a son with this condition, though in his case maybe it should have been called daycare elbow. |
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Re: schoolmarm's elbow
From: badabing-ga on 29 Oct 2003 09:17 PST |
thanks for the enlightenment, ac67. I had it in my head these were repetitive injuries rather than traumatic injuries ... in being how one used their elbow occupationally or recreationally. supermarket elbow, I thought, was something grocery clerks got from too much price scanning. gee, that's confusing. should be the mommy-mommy-buy-me syndrome or that temper tantrum syndrome would work, too. _supermarket_ elbow seems somewhat of a misnomer (dysnomer?). {sigh} oh well. here's a blurb about milkmaid (milk maiden) elbow as it pertains to archery: "The combination of less well-developed muscles and smaller upper body build in general can give women a form problem most men do not have, called milk maiden elbow by archery instructor Skip Meisenheimer. In her 30 years as an instructor she has seen many women rotate their elbow inward to augment their strength. She dubs it milkmaid elbow because a woman will turn her elbow into her body for leverage as if struggling with a heavy bucket." http://www.dto.com/women/article.jsp?articleid=597 hope they call _that_ one archery rather than archer syndrome; otherwise, we might be hunting down the illusive Dr. Archer. ditto with bowman. ad hoc usage is a dilemma when you have scant patient history to go on. this will go in my 'unable to document' book right under treating sialoadenitis with Warheads. ;-) thanks for taking the time to correspond. I'll keep the question open the full 30 in case someone finds a document where 'schoolmarm elbow' is actually used. if you haven't heard it used, it may not _formally_ exist, but these researchers have been known to pull both rabbits, and elbows, out of their hats and/or sockets. we shall see. thanks for playing. |
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Re: schoolmarm's elbow
From: tehuti-ga on 29 Oct 2003 10:29 PST |
Well granny, No schoolmarm elbows, I'm afraid. However, I found a discussion of conditions that can affect teachers, which included the information that the various "xxx's elbow" are a due to two different conditions: "Strain injuries of the muscle and tissues in the area of the elbow joint are known as epicondylitis. This is also commonly referred to as "tennis elbow" (lateral epicondylitis) or "golfers elbow" (medial epicondylitis)." ... Common causes of epicondylitis include: repeated strain of the forearm (hammering, laying bricks); bending of the wrist against a resisting force (twisting a screwdriver or carrying a heavy load with arms extended); lifting objects with hand held downward and the forefinger in a grasping position. ... Miners elbow, weavers elbow, housemaids knee, hod-carriers shoulders, dustmans shoulders, and miners beat hand, are common names for bursitis. It is an inflammation of the bursa, a fluid-filled fibrous sac often found in areas subject to friction, for example around joints or where a tendon passes over a bone. Excessive, prolonged, and repeated pressures or jolts to joints can lead to bursitis, with symptoms of severe pain and restricted movements." From: Section Six: "Occupational Injuries and Diseases" of the Occupational Health & Safety Manual of the British Columbia Teachers' Federation http://www.bctf.bc.ca/Education/health/OHandS-Manual/Section6.html And I found this: "In 19992000, 51% of all manual handling injuries were sustained by workers in the nine black spots occupations: trades assistants, nursing occupations, metal tradespersons, road transport drivers, cleaners, agricultural labourers, machine operators, school teachers and sales assistants. The nursing occupations recorded the highest number of manual handling injuries (19%), followed by machine operators (15%), and metal tradespersons (14%). School teachers recorded the lowest number of manual handling injuries (4%)." The report listed epicondylitis as one of the conditons coming under the definition of manual handling injuries. MANUAL HANDLING INJURIES TASMANIA 19992000 http://www.workcover.tas.gov.au/attach/wrcmanhandli.pdf |
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Re: schoolmarm's elbow
From: ac67-ga on 29 Oct 2003 11:09 PST |
Glad to be of help. In regards to using warheads for sialoadenitis, check this site:http://www.ecureme.com/emyhealth/data/Sialoadenitis.asp. It refers to using lemon drops for sialoadenitis. Lemon drops and other candies such as warheads (the sour kind, not the hot kind)are what is know as sialogogues, meaning they increase saliva production. Lemon drops are commonly recommended for helping with sialolithiasis, which is a "stone" blocking the salivary gland (usually dried, hardened saliva). Increased saliva may build up enough pressure to force it out. Otherwise, bacteria can multiply behind the blockage, leading to infection known as sialoadenitis. If the patient has infection due to a blockage, then lemon drops would help by opening up the gland to allow the infection to drain. Antibiotics would still usually be used though. |
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Re: schoolmarm's elbow
From: badabing-ga on 29 Oct 2003 11:51 PST |
kindest tehuti: that's probably as close as we'll get, plus you found me all those other possible syndrome names. yea! I'm copying them down. you can go ahead and post an answer or we can await late returns. hello ac67: yep, I knew about the lemon/sour candy but not being a consummate scrutineer of the hard candy aisle, I was totally unfamiliar with Warheads and the correct spelling (War Heads? WarHeads?); we're very anal like that, so thank goodness for the internet. looks like they even make a Warhead spray now: http://www.warheads.com I'm salivating as we speak. ;-) thanks, again, you two! |
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Re: schoolmarm's elbow
From: tehuti-ga on 29 Oct 2003 12:10 PST |
Who knows, someone might just come in with the magic info, so hang in there, granny. Of course, giving unruly children a good caning is no longer politically correct, so that removes one cause of possible elbow strain in the classroom ;) |
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Re: schoolmarm's elbow
From: amalik-ga on 03 Nov 2003 22:48 PST |
Perhaps the problem is you've been looking for schoolmarm instead of schoolmaster. "The diagnoses of the cases included soft tissue conditions affecting the shoulder, elbow, forearm, wrist, thumb, hand, and fingers. " "Among male cases, electricians were significantly overrepresented (5% level). Jobs for which there was a suggestion (p < 0.1) of overrepresentation among cases included butchers and teacher/lecturers (both males only) " ----------------------------------------------- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7900737&dopt=Abstract Am J Ind Med. 1995 Jan;27(1):75-90. Relations between upper limb soft tissue disorders and repetitive movements at work. English CJ, Maclaren WM, Court-Brown C, Hughes SP, Porter RW, Wallace WA, Graves RJ, Pethick AJ, Soutar CA. Institute of Occupational Medicine, Edinburgh, United Kingdom. To make a preliminary assessment of whether upper limb soft tissue disorders might be associated with activities at work, we have conducted a case-control study of subjects attending orthopedic clinics in three cities. . . . Publication Types: Multicenter Study PMID: 7900737 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] |
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Re: schoolmarm's elbow
From: badabing-ga on 05 Nov 2003 07:03 PST |
thanks so much, amalik. granny was indeed being sexistly remiss in not investigating the masculine counterpart. your reference is most appreciated. yesindeedie, Mistress Tahooters, the injury could've manifested from overcaning in the olden days. we all know how wild and fond of spankings those Brits were. cheers to all and thanks for your helpfulness! GB (a Brit at heart) |
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