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Subject: Marketing contacts at large, for-profit schools
Category: Business and Money > Advertising and Marketing
Asked by: uc1bear-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 15 Jun 2002 16:32 PDT
Expires: 22 Jun 2002 16:32 PDT
Question ID: 27273
Hi,

My question has two parts.

1) I need to know the 10-15 largest for-profit secondary learning
institutions and holding companies based in the US.  Sample members of
this set would probably include: DeVry Inc., Apollo Group, Education
Management, and ITT Educational.

2) For each, I need to know...
   a) approximately how many schools each one manages
   b) the general nature of the schools (i.e., "tech-focused
continuing education online" or "many majors available, campuses
primarily located Florida").
   c) the name and phone number -or- email address of the Vice
President of Marketing, or a similar high-level contact in the
marketing or advertising department.
   d) the approximate annual marketing/advertising budget, if
available (some of these schools are public, and it is reported in
their 10K or similar)
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The following answer was rejected by the asker (they reposted the question).
Subject: Re: Marketing contacts at large, for-profit schools
Answered By: guillermo-ga on 17 Jun 2002 15:36 PDT
 
Dear Uc1bear:

This is a complex questions, in the sense that is actually several
questions. As usually happens in these cases, some of the partial
questions can’t get an answer, just because it isn’t available, or it
would take an undetermined time to find it. Nevertheless, I think I’ve
got a substantial information to offer you.

I’ll give you two lists, one including eight companies and the other
more than thirty. The short one “AEPP Member Businesses” (
http://www.aepp.org/marketplace/results.cfm?type=8 ) corresponds to
the Association of Education Practitioners and Providers (
http://www.aepp.org/ ), and each entry links to the companies’
profile, which includes a contact person’s name, typically the CEO, as
well as the number of schools they manage.

The long list “Profiles of For-Profit Education Management Companies”
( http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/CERAI/documents/publications/cerai-00-25.htm#_ftn2
) was very thoroughly elaborated by the University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee ( http://www.uwm.edu/ ). You can access this same
list --actually, a not so updated one (
http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/CERAI/documents/archives/00/cerai-00-02.htm
)-- at the American Association of School Administrators website (
http://www.aasa.org/ ), from an article called “Number of Schools
Managed by Companies More Than Doubled Since 1998-99” --that you may
find interesting, by the way-- on its page “Leadership News” (
http://www.aasa.org/publications/ln/00-12/00-12-15emos.htm ).

I couldn’t tell which ones are the ten or fifteen largest ones --the
only indicator at hand is number of schools, if that’s the one you’d
consider. The marketing / advertising budgets remained unavailable to
my research. Still, I think you’ll find this answer mostly
satisfactory.

Thanks for your question and good luck with your project!!

Guillermo

Request for Answer Clarification by uc1bear-ga on 17 Jun 2002 15:48 PDT
Guillermo,

That answer is not at all satisfactory, for the following major
reasons:

1) Your sources list primarily K-12 schools, not secondary education
as I requested
2) None of your sources mentions any of the sample schools I suggest
that I'm interested in.
3) Information about the sample schools, as well as other similar
ones, is freely available on their 10Ks, as I suggest in my original
query.  You provide no information from these schools, saying that the
data is "to
[your] research"

Please reread my original question, and revisit your answer as
appropriate.  Many thanks!

-uc

Clarification of Answer by guillermo-ga on 18 Jun 2002 09:00 PDT
Dear Uc1bear,

I've just read your request for clarification. I apologize for not
having understood clearly your question, and I'm starting to work in
the appropriate direction. I'll post my news as soon as possible.
Thanks for your confidence.

Regards,

Guillermo

Clarification of Answer by guillermo-ga on 18 Jun 2002 19:47 PDT
Dear Uc1bear,

This is just to tell you that I've found the information you want, and
what I'm doing now is organizing it for you. You'll have it at hand
soon. Thanks for your patience.

Sincerely,

Guillermo

Clarification of Answer by guillermo-ga on 19 Jun 2002 00:27 PDT
Dear Uc1bear,

Working as a consultant for educational institutions in my country, I
have some familiarity about the American Education System, not being
an expert, though. That’s why I took your question, and I must confess
that I felt surprised and concerned for having missed the point so
badly in my first try, so I think I owe you an explanation.

I based my first research on the words “secondary”, “education”,
“schools” in several combinations with the words “management”,
“administration”, and others around the same concept, what led me to
the lists I offered you. I didn’t take as a mistake the fact that most
of them were K12 schools, because what is called “secondary education”
is comprised within grades 7 or 8 to 12, as you can see at the page
“United States of America - Education System” (
http://www.usc.edu/dept/education/globaled/wwcu/background/United-States.htm
).

Besides that, I did not consider a problem that your sample companies
weren’t in the list, since you had said that it “would probably
include” them. I had thought they were just samples for the
researcher’s orientation, other than a particular interest of you.

I think these two facts caused the misunderstanding, and my mistake
was not to include your samples as searching criteria. So I did this
second time.

My search strategy, using Google Answers Advance Search, was to look
forward the combination of the phrase “secondary education” with the
names of the companies you quoted as samples. Following that strategy,
eventually I came across the Forbes list of Companies in School
Industry ( http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/CompaniesByIndustry.jhtml?ind=SCHOOL&orderby=price&sortorder=asc&fullind=Schools
), containing thirty three  companies, eight of them belonging to
either of the outstanding companies Forbes list --among them the ones
you mentioned as samples --what could be a criteria to identify the
“major” ones. All these companies --or most of them-- focus on what’s
called “post-secondary” or “higher” education.

By clicking on the company name, you get linked to a company profile
that includes a Background --containing summary information such us
company focus and number of schools or campuses-- and, on the right
side of the page, under the title Company Data, the address, telephone
number, email address if available. Below, there’s a list of the
company Officers. In order to identify the marketing officer, I
suggest you click on the phrase “More executives …” at the end of the
list, to find a table with the name and title of each officer.

There’s, I think, one point left, that is the marketing / advertising
budget. It doesn’t seem to be among the financial information at
Forbes. Hence, looking for 10-k, as you suggested, I found the “Quick
forms lookup” page at the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (
http://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/formpick.htm ), where you can
enter the company name and select the form type, and you can get it if
available.

Although searching further on this would imply a time effort that I
can’t consider under the current offer, I did three sample searches:
Strayer Education, Inc. did not show up. For Apollo Group, Inc. and
DeVry, Inc. the 10-k form was available, but it didn’t seem to have
the marketing or advertising budget as disaggregated information. I
wish you had better luck with the others.

I hope to have overturned your initial disappointment.

I want to apologize once more for the misunderstanding, and thank you
for a question that made me learn so much!

Best regards!

Guillermo
Reason this answer was rejected by uc1bear-ga:
Hello,

Unfortunately, Guillermo's second take on the answer is still
insufficient.  It only consists of one link that is of any value (the
Forbes link), and does not address sections c) and d) of my original
information request.  In addition it is limited to publicly traded
institutions (which, although they will probably constitute the
overwhelming majority of the list, are not comprehensive.  There are
private players as well.)

The ultimate answer I receive will buld on Guillermo's answer by
adding the information I originally requested, as re-stated above.

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