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Subject: Photo of small plane over NYC
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: jont123-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 15 Nov 2003 07:11 PST
Expires: 15 Dec 2003 07:11 PST
Question ID: 276111
I am looking for a photo (preferabily more than one) of a small plane
flying over New York City. I have come across several vintage shots
but am looking for something more modern (1970's+) I am interested in
framing this picture so I would be looking for links to an aquirable
magazine cover, a photo/poster print for sale, or a high resolution
image to print myself. At the very least if not anything from above I
would like some websites with this picture that have contacts so that
I can track down the image myself.

Request for Question Clarification by omnivorous-ga on 15 Nov 2003 14:26 PST
Jont123 --

I've found one photo taken from the cockpit of a light plane on
approach into LaGuardia.  Do you want the exterior of the aircraft
(shot from the ground or another plane) or would this be one
acceptable example.

The first picture I thought of were the famous shots of Wilbur Wright
flying around Manhattan and the Statue of Liberty in 1909, as we're
now only weeks away from the centennial of the Wright Brothers' first
flight.

BTW, my source for this photo is an EXCELLENT source for potentially
dozens of NY City shots of aircraft, even if they are unpublished.

Still on the trail,

Omnivorous-GA

Clarification of Question by jont123-ga on 15 Nov 2003 20:42 PST
I am looking for a picture of a small plane from the outside flying
over new york city. The link you first mentioned to me is curious. A
published print is best but including some of the unpublished pictures
is also helpful as it MAY be possible to track down the originals for
purchase. The pictures of Wright are interesting too. Looking good,
Thanks.
Answer  
Subject: Re: Photo of small plane over NYC
Answered By: omnivorous-ga on 17 Nov 2003 10:42 PST
 
Jont --

I'm going to split this answer into three parts:
*  where to find stock photos
*  sources for posters
*  other likely sources for photographs

I run several of the popular websites related to Mooney Aircraft, so
have had occasion to use the pilots' associations, AOPA and Avweb as
sources.  Generally all three are very helpful when you're trying to
get material for non-commercial use.

That said -- I think that there's a market for posters of aircraft
over well-known destinations.  MAPA Log, the monthly publication of
the Mooney Aircraft Pilots Association, has run hundreds of pictures
of Mooneys over popular locations on its cover, most of them coming
from pilots (as opposed to the Kerrville, TX manufacturer):
Mooney Aircraft Pilots Association
Home Page
http://www.mooneypilots.com/

Researcher Bobbie7-GA was very helpful in highlighting sources,
particularly for posters.


STOCK PHOTO SOURCES
---------------------

There are three likely sources of stock photos:
1.	Corbis
Home Page
http://pro.corbis.com/default.asp

Corbis is a commercial service owned by Bill Gates (not Microsoft)
that licenses photos for a variety of uses.  You'll have to sign up
for a free account to access the database but there are almost 1,000
pictures that come up when you do the following search.  Some are
quite dramatic:
"New York" AND airplane

I'd recommend starting with the search above to go through groups of
photos.  However, here are the ID numbers for a number of interesting
shots.  You can search using these in the Corbis' search routine (and
don't need the brief description I've added below):
RR013181 -- landing lights at dusk
KD001176 -- PanAm flight over World's Fair
U849825INP -- Hughes twin over Manhattan
T-021-0127 -- plane over skyscrapers
F4646 -- Bert Acosta and Clarence Chamberlain flying over New York as
part of the record-breaking endurance flight.
U584173INP -- Charles Lindbergh flying over New York City
U797454ACME -- First Swedish Airline DC-4 flies over the financial
district of downtown New York
US003212 -- Seaplane Flying by Statue of Liberty 
LW001325 --  165 Formation-Boeing B-17's "Flying Fortresses" over East
River, New York City
U1872801 -- helicopter over NY harbor during Operation Sail

2.	Getty Images

Getty Images is another supplier of photographs and their collection
includes Time-Life photos.  Their search facility allows you to
specify location on the form, so we searched for the following and
turned up more than 200 images:
Airplane (city = New York)

Getty Images
Advanced Search Facility
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/ms_gins/CFW/home.aspx?pg=1


3.	The New York Times

The NY Times also makes photographs available for sale online.  The
"Transportation" section has several dozen photos, several of which
are aircraft in-flight over the city:
http://www.nytimes.com/nytstore/photos/index.html

Surprisingly, they don't have the September 29, 1909 flight of Wilbur
Wright over Manhattan.  This website has a picture from The New York
Globe:
Paperless Archives
"Wright Brothers Newspaper Articles, 1902-1914"
http://www.paperlessarchives.com/wbscrapbooks.html

I checked the NY Times archive and there apparently were no pictures
taken, as none appear in the newspaper on September 30.  (A side note:
different color flags were flown from the top of the NY Times Building
to indicate to the public whether or not Glenn Curtiss or the Wrights
were flying that particular day.)

Of course the pictures of the Wrights flying are of interest because
we're approaching the Centennial of their first flight, made on
December 17, 1903:
National Park Service
"Wright Brothers"
http://www.nps.gov/wrbr/


POSTERS
-------------

The best single source for posters is probably Historic Aviation, a
catalog and online site for just about anything aviation.  (Several
Christmases ago I'd even purchased a B-25 training video for the
father of a friend who had flown B-25s during World War II.)  You'll
find about a dozen posters on their site if you use the search term. 
I limited the search to the category for "Art":
"New York"

Historic Aviation
Home Page
http://www.historicaviation.com/historicaviation/index.po

There are three other possibilities:
Here are 3 posters: 

New York by Clipper 
http://www.allposters.com/gallery.asp?aid=381287&item=382216&cat=1039 

Braniff Airways - Manhattan, NY 
http://www.allposters.com/gallery.asp?aid=381287&item=382269&cat=1039 


'Flying Over Manhattan, New York City 1946, Douglas DC-4' poster print
http://www.1stoppostershop.com/products/ta/cityscapes/ta_FlyingOverManhattanNYC1946.asp


PILOTS ASSOCIATIONS
---------------------

Owners associations like MAPA, American Bonanza Society, Cessna Pilots
Association and Cherokee Pilots Association keep archives of
air-to-air photos that they use for their magazines and other
publications.  I'd suggest CALLING them, as the staff is much more
responsive to phone calls than e-mail -- and they may be aware of
other resources, such as pilots web pages.  Some contacts for you:

American Bonanza Society
Archives
http://www.bonanza.org/archives.cfm

Cessna Pilots Association
http://www.cessna.org/

Cherokee Pilots Association
http://www.piperowner.com/

At MAPA, make sure that you talk with Lela Hughes, who knows more
about what's available as a resource than anyone else:
MAPA
(210) 525-8008
http://www.mooneypilots.com/


OTHER RESOURCES
----------------

One site collects hundreds of DIGITAL photos each week -- 99% of which
remain unpublished.  Avweb runs a photo-of-the-week contest and has
published dozens of photos but receives many more:
Avweb
"Photo of the Week"
http://www.avweb.com/cgi-bin/texis/scripts/avweb-search/search.html?query=picture&publication=avflash&category=potw

Here's one that appeared earlier this year of a plane on approach into
New York's LaGuardia Airport:
Avweb
"Picture of the Week" (February 13, 2003)
http://www.avweb.com/newspics/week0307.jpg


My final recommendation would be AOPA Pilot magazine (Aircraft Owners
& Pilots Association).  I've used pictures from the AOPA Airport
Directory on my own website and found the AOPA staff to be very
cooperative, particularly if you're a member:
AOPA
Home Page
http://www.aopa.org


Google search strategy:
"New York" + airplanes + posters
"New York" + airplanes + photos

Best regards,

Omnivorous-GA

Clarification of Answer by omnivorous-ga on 18 Nov 2003 06:54 PST
Jont --

And here's what the NY Times has this morning!
"Clear to Land, but Dodging East River Flotsam" (Nov. 19, 2003)
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/18/nyregion/18SEAP.html

Make sure that you run the slide show -- it has some spectacular pix.

Best regards,

Omnivorous-GA
Comments  
Subject: Re: Photo of small plane over NYC
From: mysteryreader-ga on 20 Nov 2003 05:40 PST
 
You may also enjoy the modern airplane by NYC sklyline photos at this link

General aviation ? NYC photos

http://www.e-aerials.com/genavi1.html

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