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 Subject: What is the Google Page Rank in terms of number of hits Category: Computers > Internet Asked by: wardtalktothebeaver-ga List Price: \$25.00 Posted: 20 Nov 2003 08:54 PST Expires: 20 Dec 2003 08:54 PST Question ID: 278593
 ```If you download Google's toolbar, one of the things you see is the Page Rank. This goes from 0 to 10 and ranks basically how popular the page you are looking at is. The calculation is based on a complex formula that takes many factors into account. One of the factors is the number of hits per day that the page gets. Can someone give me a very rough correlation between number of hits per day and rank. For example, it appears that 70 hits per day will get a page a rank of 5. I'd like to know how many hits for rank 1 through 10 roughly. Thanks!``` Request for Question Clarification by larre-ga on 20 Nov 2003 10:29 PST ```>> One of the factors is the number of hits per day that the page gets.<< Though I have studied search engine optimization for a number of years, there's no reputable evidence of the number of hits a page receives being used as a variable in the calculation of PageRank, since there is no way for Google to independently measure *all* hits received by any given webpage (i.e. those delivered by other search engines and direct links). However, there is well-known speculation about "votes" for a page as a calculation factor of PageRank. Could this be the information you're seeking? ---larre``` Clarification of Question by wardtalktothebeaver-ga on 21 Nov 2003 18:12 PST ```Thanks, larre. I guess I must admit that my statement that page hits was a factor was an assumption based on experience. My company has a web site that gets about 70 hits per day on average. It's rank is 5. As the number of hits went up, the rank went up. I assumed there was a direct correlation, although I did read that there were many factors involved. I'm not sure what a "vote" is. My main interest is to determine based on a web site's rank how "popular" the site is. What would it take, for example, for our web site to go to a rank of 6? And what would it take for it to drop to a 4? I can see that sites with a rank of 6 tend to be corporations with between \$100M and \$1B in sales, for example. Why is that? Given that my original question has no answer, I'll settle for a simplified model of what goes into the ranking process and how a site can improve its rank. thanks!```
 Subject: Re: What is the Google Page Rank in terms of number of hits Answered By: robertskelton-ga on 21 Nov 2003 21:35 PST Rated:
 ```Hi there, First of all, there is no direct correlation between Google's ranking and the number of hits a webpage receives. The best known service for ranking websites based on hits is Alexa: Alexa http://alexa.com A web search at Alexa returns Google search results, with some additional Alexa data. If you move your mouse over where it says "Site info", you can see the site's traffic rank. This is not the number of hits it receives, but a ranking based on the number of visitors the site receives from people who have the Alexa toolbar installed. A search for "search engine" has the following results: 1. Altavista - traffic rank 57 - PageRank 9 2. Lycos - traffic rank 40 - PageRank 9 3. Yahoo - traffic rank 1 - PageRank 10 4. Google - - traffic rank 2 - PageRank 10 5. Search Engine Watch - - traffic rank 1587 - PageRank 8 So obviously there is more going on than just the number of hits a site receives. Google search results are ordered according to two factors: 1) PageRank 2) How well the page matches the query PageRank -------- PageRank is determined by how many quality web pages link to the page in question. This is how Google describes PageRank: "PageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by using its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page's value. In essence, Google interprets a link from page A to page B as a vote, by page A, for page B. But, Google looks at more than the sheer volume of votes, or links a page receives; it also analyzes the page that casts the vote. Votes cast by pages that are themselves "important" weigh more heavily and help to make other pages "important." Important, high-quality sites receive a higher PageRank, which Google remembers each time it conducts a search. Of course, important pages mean nothing to you if they don't match your query. So, Google combines PageRank with sophisticated text-matching techniques to find pages that are both important and relevant to your search. Google goes far beyond the number of times a term appears on a page and examines all aspects of the page's content (and the content of the pages linking to it) to determine if it's a good match for your query." ://www.google.com/technology/index.html Basically, the more sites with high PageRank that link to your page, the higher your page's PageRank will be. A good example is when your page gains a listing within Open Directory or Yahoo. These are quality sites, and getting a listing usually gets your page a PageRank of 4 or thereabouts. The concept is simple but the mathematics involved are complex. PageRank appears to operate on an logarithmic scale. "Whether or not the overall range is divided into 10 equal parts is a matter for debate - Google aren't saying. But because it is much harder to move up a toolbar point at the higher end than it is at the lower end, many people (including me) believe that the divisions are based on a logarithmic scale, or something very similar, rather than the equal divisions of a linear scale. Let's assume that it is a logarithmic, base 10 scale, and that it takes 10 properly linked new pages to move a site's important page up 1 toolbar point. It will take 100 new pages to move it up another point, 1000 new pages to move it up one more, 10,000 to the next, and so on. That's why moving up at the lower end is much easier that at the higher end. In reality, the base is unlikely to be 10. Some people think it is around the 5 or 6 mark, and maybe even less. Even so, it still gets progressively harder to move up a toolbar point at the higher end of the scale. " The above excerpt is from this excellent article, well worth a read if you want to fully understand PageRank: Pagerank Explained. Google's PageRank and how to make the most of it http://www.webworkshop.net/pagerank.html Original Stanford paper by the Google founders: http://www7.scu.edu.au/programme/fullpapers/1921/com1921.htm Google Toolbar -------------- Google stresses that the PageRank displayed by the toolbar is an estimate. It only shows numbers from zero to ten. Two sites showing PR5 could really be one with 5.1 and one with 5.9. The difference between the two rankings could be substantial. How well the page matches the query ----------------------------------- Before Google invented PageRank, search engines relied on this aspect alone. When you search for keywords, Google looks within its index for pages that contain all the keywords. Google then looks at where those keywords appear: Title - The best indicator of the page's topic Heading Tags - Like

 wardtalktothebeaver-ga rated this answer: ```thank you, robertSkelton. Although my desire to determine clicks per rank goes unrequited, I now understand how page ranking works. I'm sure there is, in fact, a correlation between page hits and ranks. But it is lower than 1 and is the effect of links, not the result of the calculation. The paper you routed me to was excellent, as well.```