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Subject: Cheap gore-tex jackets
Category: Business and Money
Asked by: verner-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 25 Nov 2003 08:32 PST
Expires: 02 Dec 2003 12:09 PST
Question ID: 280433
Background:
I know that it is possible to buy cheap gore-tex jackets like North
Face, Mammut or Marmot on street-markets in Shanghai for as little as
$30. They are probably fakes or could have minor defects - but anyway
they could be a pretty good deal considering the real thing costs at
least $300 here in Europe.

What I'd like someone to answer is where I can find such cheap jackets
on the web (URLs). I guess a good place to start looking would be
websites in China, Hong kong, Taiwan etc.

For a website to qualify it must:
- Be an online store that offers really cheap gore-tex jackets 
- Be able to ship to Europe
- Have images and some english text describing the products

Definition of really cheap: any 2 or 3 layer gore-tex jacket for less than US$100.
Answer  
There is no answer at this time.

The following answer was rejected by the asker (they received a refund for the question).
Subject: Re: Cheap gore-tex jackets
Answered By: crabcakes-ga on 25 Nov 2003 19:32 PST
 
Hello verner,

Waterproof, breathable jackets comparable to jackets that utilize
"Gore-Tex" type microfiber fabric are made by Berhaus, North Face,
Lowe Alpine, and Marmot, among others. I have tried to include some of
each here, when I could find them among your price range. I was unable
to locate any jacket sellers in Shanghai, Hong Kong, or China that did
not require you to place an order for over 1000 items. I have however,
found a large selection of jackets, mostly in the US and the UK, that
ship to Europe.

To help you understand British prices, here is a link to a currency converter:

Currency Converter
http://www2.travlang.com/money/money.cgi?curr1=USD&curr2=GBP



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North Face jackets in a range of prices, many around $100 USD
http://everestnews.altrec.com/shop/brand/thenorthface/37/

EverstNews does ship internationally
http://everestnews.altrec.com/helpdesk/cs.shipping.jhtml
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Marmot Jackets, $99 USD.
http://www.earlywinters.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=2002&itemType=PRODUCT&sSearch=YES

http://www.earlywinters.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=2003&itemType=PRODUCT&sSearch=YES

The above site states they do not ship internationally, but ?we are
happy to assist you with your international ordering needs. You may
contact us to inquire about international restrictions, inquiries, and
additional charges. Or, call us toll free 1-800-821-1286 (inside the
US) or 1-503-614-4650 (outside the US).?
http://www.earlywinters.com/CustServ/CustServDetail.jsp?contentFolderID=5#20
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Rocky Direct has some Gore-tex-like jackets for less than $100, but
most are slightly higher than $100 USD
 http://www.rockydirect.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/DriveItShop.woa/wa/shopCurrency?currency=USD&pageName=Main&folderId=1000512&orgId=1000074

Rocky Direct ships to Europe:
http://www.rockydirect.com/help_order_information/shipping_and_returns.html
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Allweathers has a selection of jackets, of all prices. The web site
states that V.A.T and shipping is included in item price.(This site
also has  the real Gore-tex with real Gore-tex prices), found here:
http://www.allweathers.co.uk/system/index.html

Allweathers does not mention shipping areas, and is located in the UK.
Their contact information is here:
http://www.allweathers.co.uk/system/index.html


M&M Sports has Men?s and Women?s Berghaus jackets, in your price range
(and more of course!)
http://www.mandmsports.com/products.asp?man=Berghaus


M&M Sports delivers outside the UK, but you must call to inquire about details:
http://www.mandmsports.com/aboutus.asp?sub=delivery

Field and Trek has a variety, from your price range to much greater,
prices are in no order on this site.
http://www.fieldandtrek.com/ft1/find.asp?currency=GBP&smn=&smn_id=&src=&simg=&manufacturer_id=37

Field and Trek is in the UK, and ships to Europe
http://www.fieldandtrek.com/ft1/cs_delivery.asp?currency=GBP&smn=&smn_id=&src=&simg=&sessionID=&mscssid=BNBS2FF4DA168NGQKVX6STW442MPBKS7




At White and Bishop, a Lowe Alpine jacket for 69 British pounds.
http://www.whiteandbishop-outdoor.co.uk/frame_intro.htm

A Berghaus jacket, 60 pounds (About $100 USD)
http://www.whiteandbishop-outdoor.co.uk/frame_intro.htm

White and Bishop ship outside of the UK
http://www.whiteandbishop-outdoor.co.uk/frame_intro.htm
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Two jackets meet you price on this Up and Under site
http://www.upandunder.co.uk/eshop/catalogue/bargain2.asp?Activity_ID=8&rd=0

Several Marmot jackets in your price range
http://www.upandunder.co.uk/eshop/catalogue/testbs.asp?Manufacturer_ID=11&Activity_ID=8&Description_ID=148

Up and Under delivers outside of the UK
http://www.upandunder.co.uk/eshop/default.asp?a=4

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Miles Isotex jacket:
http://www.outdoorgear.co.uk/eshop.asp?wci=product&wce=41100601&affid=5997

Outdoor Gear ships all over Europe:
http://www.outdoorgear.co.uk/eshop.asp?wci=dbpage&wce=postage&pid=209268&sid=1694132&vid=1371926
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Men?s Accelerator jacket 60 British pounds 

http://www.cotswold-outdoor.com/Cat/93322

and 
Men?s Jinx jacket
http://www.cotswold-outdoor.com/Cat/93338

and
A selection of women?s and men?s jackets, variety of prices. (60
pounds British is about $101 USD)
http://www.cotswold-outdoor.com/Cat/2983

 Cotswold delivers worldwide.
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2-3 Men?s Isotex jackets can be found on this Outdorr Megastore site,
meeting your price:
http://www.outdoormegastore.co.uk/acatalog/Outdoor_Megastore_3_in_1_Jackets_204.html

One women?s Isotex jacket in your range, and one or two slightly higher, here:
http://www.outdoormegastore.co.uk/acatalog/Outdoor_Megastore_3_in_1_Jackets_206.html

Also: http://www.outdoormegastore.co.uk/acatalog/Outdoor_Megastore_Jackets_260.html

Outdoor Megastore delivers outside of the UK
http://www.outdoormegastore.co.uk/delivery.htm


Cheap Climbing Gear has 3 jackets on this page:
http://www.cheapclimbinggear.co.uk/acatalog/Product_Catalogue_Products_21.html

Cheap Climbing Gear will ship worldwide:
http://www.cheaptents.com/Howtoshop.htm#Oseas

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Outdoor Plus More has Red Ledge brand parkas, $64.99 USD . This
website does ship internationally.
http://www.outdoorsplusmore.com/skiwear_mens_rldg_mens_starlight_peak_system_parka.asp

Marmot review
http://www.iaslmalaysia2002.org/gore_tex_jacket.html



Altrec has several models of Men?s jackets, including North Face in
your price range here:
http://www.altrec.com/shop/dir/mens/37/

Women?s jackets, including North Face
http://www.altrec.com/shop/dir/womens/37/

Altrec ships internationally
http://www.altrec.com/helpdesk/cs.shipping.jhtml
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Outdoor Clothing Online has some jackets here:
http://www.outdoorclothingonline.com/store/store.htm?latest.htm~productsFrame

http://www.outdoorclothingonline.com/store/store.htm

I could find no shipping information, but contact information is here:
http://www.outdoorclothingonline.com/contact_us.htm
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These sites do not ship to Europe, but I listed them in case you may
know someone who could order them in the US and ship them to you. The
prices are good enough to warrant the effort.

Netjackets:
Microfibre jackets $34.99-$69.99 USD
http://store.yahoo.com/netjackets/microfibre.html

Campmor
http://www.campmor.com/webapp/commerce/command/ExecMacro/manu_list.d2w/report?manufacturer=94

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About Gore-tex and other water-proof and breathable fabrics:
http://www.alexski.co.uk/Articles/skiing_clothing.htm

Gore-tex fabric comparison:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2085417/#ContinueArticle

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List of  Asian suppliers, generally requiring huge orders.
http://www.sportinggoods.globalsources.com/gsol/GeneralManager?pointview=on&suplrview=off&prodview=on&artview=off&copyfrom=&point_search=on&search_what=1&product_search=on&supplier_search=&article_search=&query=jackets&copyto=&val_pidc=3000000152733&type=new&action=GetPoint&action=DoFreeTextSearch&page=search%2FProductSearchResults&point_id=3000000152733&catalog_id=2000000003880&design=clean&langu
age=en

Shanghai Sellers (Must be order of 1000 or more)
http://www.sportinggoods.globalsources.com/gsol/Index/1/3catalog_id/22000000003880/3page/2ProductDetail/3product_id/28834917042/3action/2GetProduct/3action/2GetPoint/3point_id/23000000173202?a=b



Hope this helps you locate the right jacket! If any part of my answer
is unclear, or if I have duplicated information you already have, I
will be happy to assist you further: Please request an Answer
Clarification before you rate this answer and I will do so.

Regards, 
crabcakes-ga

Search Strategy:

outdoor wear Asia
Asian outdoorwear sellers
Gore-tex jackets 
gore-tex jackets Europe

Request for Answer Clarification by verner-ga on 26 Nov 2003 00:57 PST
Hi crabcakes,

Thanks for your submission. I have looked through all the sites you
have listed, but have been unable to locate one that meet all
requirements as stated in my question.

Note that the number of sites you dig up is not important, I just want
a single site or two that qualifies.

A few comments for a couple of links why I can't except your answer yet:

http://everestnews.altrec.com/shop/brand/thenorthface/37/
Yes, they have some jackets for $100 but they are fleece, which is not
even close to Gore-tex. And I hope it was clear in my question that it
was -gore-tex- I was interested in.

http://www.earlywinters.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=2002&itemType=PRODUCT&sSearch=YES
No, they don't claim that jacket to have gore-tex fabric.

http://www.allweathers.co.uk/system/index.html
You said it yourself: "This site also has the real Gore-tex with real
Gore-tex prices". I'm only interested in gore-tex but for less than
"real prices". Which this site doesn't have.

http://www.whiteandbishop-outdoor.co.uk/frame_intro.htm
It was hard to understand exactly which jackets you were refering to
for £69 and $60 since the link is just to the front page.

And neither of the remaining sites/links offers a gore-tex jacket for under $100.

Clarification of Answer by crabcakes-ga on 26 Nov 2003 03:06 PST
Hi verner,

I will be out most of the morning, but I will address your concerns
immediatley upom my return. In the meantime, are you looking for men's
or women's, or perhaps both?
The Allweathers site does list Isotex jackets.I see now that no matter
what page I link you to, they all redirect back to the home page. Try
the Allweather link again, and click on "Waterproof" on the left hand
side of the page. I am sorry, but there was no way I could send you
the actual link... something I did not notice when answering.
 http://www.allweathers.co.uk/system/index.html

I'll address your concerns later today.
Regards,
crabcakes-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by verner-ga on 26 Nov 2003 05:30 PST
Hi again,

It's a mens winter jacket I'm interested in.

I looked at that allweathers site again but it is not interesting at
all. Like all other sites you have presented their gore-tex jackets
are not in the pricerange I'm looking for ($30-$100).

If you can't locate such a dealer I'm interested in either 
  a) you are not the right person to answer my question 
or less likely:
  b) there doesn't exist any websites with such "fake" gore-tex products.

Clarification of Answer by crabcakes-ga on 26 Nov 2003 13:56 PST
Hi verner, 
I'm back and hope to find what you want. I'm sorry you did not like
any of the Gore-tex "clones" I found already. Let me see what I can
find. I'll post in a while.

Regards, crabcakes-ga

Clarification of Answer by crabcakes-ga on 26 Nov 2003 16:09 PST
Hello verner, 

Hopefully, you will be pleased with the results this time. All sites
listed in this clarification 1) Offer gore-tex like jackets 2) Ship to
Europe (The Everest News and the Early Winters state to contact them
for shipping outside of the UK. They do not state plainly that they do
or do not ship to Europe. Contact info was included in the original
answer)    3) All sites have images and are in English  4) All jackets
are under $100 USD. Some sites have higher priced jackets, and I have
included one, that is slightly over $100 USD, at $117 USD. Some sites
have fleece and other styles, but each site I presented has jackets of
a Gore-tex type fabric. I did not realize that so many UK sites were
written in frames, resulting in each link having the same URL. In
these cases, I have since tried to give you a ?path? to follow, to
enable you to find the correct jackets.

Your requirements;
Be an online store that offers really cheap gore-tex jackets 
Be able to ship to Europe
Have images and some english text describing the products
? Definition of really cheap: any 2 or 3 layer gore-tex jacket for
less than US$100?


I am revisiting the sites you were especially unhappy with, just to
clarify that what I found did meet with what I understood were your
requirements. Later in the clarifications, are some newly found sites
for you to follow up with.

Here is a description of Hydrenalite, of which many North Face jackets are made:
?It's made from an ultra-lightweight and high-density rip-stop fabric
called Hydrenalite?, a polyester treated with a Teflon® for optimal
water repellency and quick-drying performance?
http://www.altrec.com/shop/detail/15278/19

Isotex is a waterproof, windproof, breathable fabric, that wicks
moisture from your skin. ?Hydrophilic breathable system, to move
moisture vapour out through the fabric and keep
you comfortable. Durable Water Repellent (DWR) outer fabric treatment
to help water run off.
Windproof performance, to eliminate windchill. Durable waterproof
performance, to keep water out.?
http://www.stewardsons.co.uk/isotex.html
http://www.destinationanywear.com/fabrics.asp?tested=y

A description of Gore-tex brand fabric
?Water droplets can?t penetrate this microporous surface, so it is
waterproof.  But on the other hand, water vapour molecules in the form
of perspiration can escape from the inside, so it breathes out your
body moisture.?
http://www.musto.co.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1377

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These were listed in the first answer, on the EverestNews site?..you
saw only fleece, but in following pages were these: They all meet your
requirements: Ship to Europe, under $100 USD, and made of a Gore-tex
like fabric
1)    $49.97  USD
§	?Lightweight 100% polyester DWR-treated Hydrenalite® shell fabric 
§	Fast-drying 100% polyester Tek Mesh lining along collar, back cape and underarms 
§	Folds down and packs into back zippered pocket 
§	Single-handed adjustable shockcord with stopper at right hem 
§	Dual front zippered pockets have Tek Mesh lining 
§	Reflective piping and TNF logo for improved visibility in low light conditions 
§	Elastic cuffs to seal out cold air and moisture
http://everestnews.altrec.com/shop/detail/14557/TNF

2) $ 66.95 USD
§	100% polyester Hydrenalite? shell fabric 
§	100% polyester Tek Mesh lining 
§	Vented back with Tek Mesh lining 
§	Stows inside back zip pocket for compact convenience 
§	Elastic and Velcro® cuffs to seal out elements 
§	Single-handed shockcord adjustment along waist hem 
§	Non-stop gusset from sleeve to waist for mobility 
§	Velcro® tab on back of collar for rolling up jacket and stowing it around waist 
§	Tek Mesh lining along inner collar and storm flap 
§	Raglan sleeves for mobility
http://everestnews.altrec.com/shop/detail/12985/TNF

3) $99.77 USD

§	Waterproof/breathable, lightweight Tigris HyVent? dual-layer shell fabric 
§	Fully taped seams for waterproof protection 
§	Two-way, full-length center zipper with flat front design 
§	Adjustable ergonomic hood rolls into collar when not in use 
§	Enhanced core wrap venting design 
§	Dual hand pockets 
§	Single-hand cinchcord adjustment along hem to seal out elements 
§	Adjustable cuffs with Velcro® closures 
§	TNF logo on left chest 
§	Weight: 18 oz. (510 g.) in large
http://everestnews.altrec.com/shop/detail/14582/TNF

4) $29.97 USD, a lighter weight jacket . (This one is not exactly what
I think you want, but I included it just in case)
§	WindLine® mini-ripstop nylon fabric treated with a Durable Water
Repellent (DWR) finish
§	Full-length two-way front zipper 
§	Entire garment stuffs into left hand pocket 
§	Attached hood with drawstring 
§	Reflective logo for improved visibility 
§	Weight: 8 oz. (227 g.)

http://everestnews.altrec.com/shop/detail/12982/TNF
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You are correct, the link I gave you  for the White and Bishop-Outdoor
site took you only to the home page. This site also is written in
frames?no matter what you click on, the URL is the same. I apologize
that I did not catch this. I don?t see this often anymore, and it is
very odd that several UK sites that I gave you are written this way. I
will be more attentive to this matter.
The Lowe Alpine jacket is 60 pounds, which is slightly more than you
wanted, roughly $117 USD.

Special Offers, Waterproof/Windproofs, then Lowe Alpine, click on the
?View? button.
?Features: Triplepoint fabric. 2 mesh lower pockets. Foldaway hood
with volume adjustment. ?No catch? chinguard. Watershed seamless
shoulders. Adjustable elasticated cuffs. 2 way front zipper with
double stormflap & snap fastening. Elasticized hideaway drawcord at
waist & hem. Inversion Slit. Zip-in compatible. Liner attachment
points at inner cuffs and centre back neck.?
http://www.whiteandbishop-outdoor.co.uk/frame_intro.htm

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This Early Winters jacket is made of the very Marmot fabric you
mentioned in the beginning of your question. You said  ?I know that it
is possible to buy cheap gore-tex jackets like North
Face, Mammut or Marmot ?? It is $99 (USD) . Shipping to Europe is not
well described, but stated as thus:
?we are happy to assist you with your international ordering needs.
You may contact us to inquire about international restrictions,
inquiries, and additional charges. Or, call us toll free
1-800-821-1286 (inside the US) or 1-503-614-4650 (outside the US).?
http://www.earlywinters.com/CustServ/CustServDetail.jsp?contentFolderID=5#20

You were unhappy with this jacket, saying  ?No, they don't claim that
jacket to have gore-tex fabric.? In my original answer, I stated this
jacket was ?Marmot?, as I thought that to be acceptable, per your
question.


?This waterproof, breathable shell by Marmot® survived the brutal wind
and rain storms of the Oregon Coast!
All of the high performance weather-protection Marmot prides itself
upon is packed into these lightweight layers. 100% ripstop nylon
fabric with PreCip? waterproof technology creates an impenetrable
barrier between you and the elements. The fully taped seams
significantly increase durability while preventing moisture from
seeping through the stitching, keeping you dry.?
http://www.earlywinters.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=2002&itemType=PRODUCT&sSearch=YES
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Allweathers website, jacket $76.00 USD, Shipping to Europe is unknown.
I included the contact information above, as many sites, if contacted,
will arrange to ship to Europe. This site is located in the UK.
Wynnster Tornado jacket: 45 British pounds ($76 USD). This web site is
written in frames, therefore each link I give you from this site gives
the same URL. You must click on the Waterproof Clothing link, in the
right hand column, then click on the Tornado jacket.
Waterproof/Breathable
? Concealed hood with peak and volume adjuster.
? Double storm flap over two way zip and interactive zip.
? Zipped front pockets with storm flaps.
? Zipped internal map pocket.
? Adjustable cuffs.
? Fully taped seams.
? Elasticated drawcord to hem and waist.
http://www.allweathers.co.uk/system/index.html

Consider again, the RockyDirect site from the original answer:
·	$70 USD, : 100% Nylon Taslan bomber
·	Two concealed front zippered pockets
·	Two Velcro chest pockets
·	Inside chest pocket
·	 Half elastic sleeve cuffs with adjustable Velcro tab closure
·	Inner waist drawcord with stopper
·	Fleece Sold Separately
http://www.rockydirect.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/DriveItShop.woa/wa/productDetails?folderId=1000512&productId=1000424&orgId=1000074

Rocky Direct ships to Europe:
http://www.rockydirect.com/help_order_information/shipping_and_returns.html
Please reconsider the jackets also on this site(You will need to scroll down). 
Cheap Climbing Gear has 3 jackets that meet your price and fabric
requirements, on this page:
http://www.cheapclimbinggear.co.uk/acatalog/Product_Catalogue_Products_21.html

Cheap Climbing Gear will ship worldwide:
http://www.cheaptents.com/Howtoshop.htm#Oseas
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Travel Outfitter/Sierra Trading Post   has a $71.95 (USD)
waterproof/windproof material, a Gore-tex like fabric jacket, ?Get
excellent waterproof/breathable protection at a reasonable price from
Lafuma's proprietary membrane technology. Soft nylon shell has
waterproof exterior zippers, wicking polyester mesh lining, core
vents, pit zips, and Napoleon pocket. Roll-away hood, reflective
piping. Length 30", 2 lb. 4 oz. Closeouts. Bangladesh. Size: M(38-40)
L(42-44) XL(46-48) 2XL(50-52) ?  seen here:
http://www.travel-outfitter.com/lafuma.htm

This site is written in frames. To see and read more you must click on
the link that says ? Lafuma Waterproof/Breathable Jacket (For men)

Travel Outfitter can ship to many countries, ordering online.
Countries not listed,  must phone in orders.? At this time, the
website can only support international orders from Canada, Germany,
Great Britain / Northern Ireland, Japan, Austria, and Switzerland .
Customers from other countries must order by phone (307-775-8000), by
fax (307-775-8088), or by mail.?
http://www.travel-outfitter.com/lafuma.htm


CCW has a REAL Gore-tex jacket, for just slightly over your price. 107
Irish pounds, including VAT ( $118 USD)
http://www.ccwclothing.com/cgi-bin/ccwclothing.filereader?3fc537f712f5dbec273fd85dac39072c+EN/products/1371&2D1


and
89.99 Irish pounds ($99 USD), including VAT , ?Kiel Gents Jacket
[Helly Hansen] Waterproof & breathable. Fully taped seams. Detachable
hood. Reflective piping.?
http://www.ccwclothing.com/cgi-bin/ccwclothing.filereader?3fc537f712f5dbec273fd85dac39072c+EN/products/1791&2D1

and
62.99 Irish pounds ($70 USD), including VAT ?Mount Gents Waterproof Jacket
Waterproof, breathable Indra Nylon Twill fabric. Taped seams. Full
lenght zip with storm flap. Foldaway storm hood. Internal mobile phone
pocket?
CCW ships worldwide.
http://www.ccwclothing.com/cgi-bin/ccwclothing.storefront/3fc537f712f5dbec273fd85dac39072c/UserTemplate/5
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North Face, $48.98 ?The North Face Venture Jacket - Mens, is a
lightweight, waterproof breathable jacket great for trekking and
travel use. Keep the Venture Jacket in your pack or suitcase and
you'll be ready for an unexpected downpour. Despite being extremely
lightweight, the HyVent Duckback fabric is tough enough to stand up to
everyday use. Designed as an innovative option for complete weather
protection, HyVent is a waterproof/breathable polyurethane-based
membrane. While it is slightly less breathable than Gore-Tex®
laminates it is extremely waterproof, and can be counted on as a
dependable protective outer layer. This combination of high
waterproofness and breathability makes it ideal for keeping the
elements out.
http://www.backcountrystore.com/store/TNF0203?mv_session_id=zoakDNAB&mv_pc=265&cat_id=11&subcat_id=20

Back Country store ships internationally:
http://www.backcountrystore.com/store/help_detail?mv_session_id=zoakDNAB&mv_pc=102&hh_id=32
Vander has this jacket, ?Maelstrom?
This is one of the original longer-length waterproofs. It made
available storm busting breathable performance for hillwalkers,
ramblers, outdoor schools, farmers and foresters that needed
reliability, durability and abrasion-resistance. It is in a 4oz
breathable nylon fabric and has a well-designed hood and a great-value
price.
Features
· Integral hood with wired visor
· Draw strings at hood waist and hem
· Velcro cuffs
· 2 zipped hip pockets
· Zipped external weather protected map pocket
· Storm flap with velcro closure
59.95 British pounds ($100 USD) 
http://www.vander.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Breathable_Jackets_22.html

44 British pounds at their factory store:
http://www.vander.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Buy_direct_from_the_UK_Factory_or_Online_5.html#a56

Vander?s contact information: (They don?t appear to ship at all. I
include it in case you live in the UK)
http://www.vander.co.uk/acatalog/Contact_Us.html

If you do live in the UK and think you?d visit the factory store, you
can find an interactive map here:
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?pc=tq124yq&GridE=&GridN=&scale=10000&title=Vander&cat=ind%22


I?d like to think this helps you, verner. I would like you to be
pleased with the answer, and have strived to present you with numerous
choices. I am quite certain all the sites listed meet your
requirements as far as price, shipping, pictures, English and fabric
requirements. If you need further clarification, again, please request
an Answer Clarification.

Regards,
crabcakes-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by verner-ga on 27 Nov 2003 00:04 PST
Again, you have not followed my initial question. I'm looking for
gore-tex products ONLY. Nothing else. Period.

I'm going to ask for a refound.

Clarification of Answer by crabcakes-ga on 27 Nov 2003 07:37 PST
Hello verner,
You are certainly entitled to request a refund, as you are not happy
with my answer.

However, you requested, in your words " cheap gore-tex jackets like
North Face, Mammut or Marmot" . Gore-tex is the type of fabric, and
North Face and Marmot are not made of Gore-Tex. Gore-tex is a brand of
microfiber fabric. When you specified jackets " cheap gore-tex jackets
like North Face, Mammut or Marmot" I could only assume that these
brands would fit your requirements.

I supplied you with numerous Gore-tex type of jackets. I understood
your request to mean you wanted similar type jackets, and not "Just"
Gore-tex.I am sorry I was unable to provide you with an answer that
was satisfactory to you.

Regards
crabcakes-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by verner-ga on 27 Nov 2003 08:17 PST
North Face, Mammut and Marmot were simply examples of brands that have
some jackets with Gore-tex fabric. The main point was the fabric, not
the brands.

If you missed it the first time (in my question) maybe you should have
been able to get it by reading my requests for clarification a little
better?

Clarification of Answer by crabcakes-ga on 27 Nov 2003 09:51 PST
verner, 
You are correct. When I began researching this question, I beleived
that Gore-tex was a brand of fabric, that applied only to Gore-tex
jackets. Even after researching< I still found Gore-tex to be a brand
of jacket, as the MArmot and North Face jackets I found, in your price
range were made of Gore-tex-like fabrics, called Isotex, etc.
I truly understood you wanted a Gore-tex clone, ad did not intend to
supply you with sites you were uninterested in.

Amazingly to me, I have found one of the sites I already supplied you
with, The Travel Outfitter, does indeed have a REAL Gore-TEX fabric
jacket for under $79.95USD
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/product.asp?base_no=42025&mscssid=1047040B2E124F7EB4CECB9BD49D52FD

Land's End has a Gore-Tex jacket for $79.50 USD
http://www.landsend.com/cd/fp/prod/0,,1_2_1931_48643_71301_49748_5:view=-1,00.html?sid=6605025839509150170

Land's End also has this model for $98 USD
http://www.landsend.com/cd/fp/prod/0,,1_2_1931_35937_84197_62644_5:view=59,00.html?sid=8642015419519192050

They ship to the following countries (Hopefully yours is included):
http://www.landsend.com/cd/fp/help/0,,1_36877_36883_37120___,00.html?refer=@2Fcd@2Ffp@2Fprod@2F0@2C@2C1@5F2@5F1931@5F48643@5F71301@5F49748@5F5@3Aview@3D@2D1@2C00@2Ben@2DUSS@5F01DBC@2Ehtml&sid=6605025839509150170

This is all I could find made from Gore-tex for less than $100 USD.
Had I properly understood your question, perhaps I would have located
these. As it was, I searched for Gore-tex clones, and omitted real
Gore-tex from my searches. My apologies.

If you are still unsatisfied, you may of course ask for a refund, as
the goal is to find exactly what you are searching for.

Regards,
crabcakes-ga

Clarification of Answer by crabcakes-ga on 27 Nov 2003 21:48 PST
Hello verner,

After enjoying a wonderful Thanksgiving meal, I attempted again to
look for your jackets. Since now I am looking for just Gore-tex, I was
able to locate 3 more jackets
1) Under $100 USD
2) Ship to Europe
3) Gore-tex fabric
4) English sites and pictures

Amazon.com has a men?s Gore-tex jacket for $99 USD
And 
Men?s Gore-tex jacket for $98.50 USD
Amazon.com ships to 29 countries. See the list here:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/537804/103-0725762-1349435
REI has a men?s Gore-tex jacket for $93.93 USD
http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&catalogId=40000008001&storeId=8001&partNumber=700782&memberId=-2000&link=1
REI can ship almost anywhere in the world. 
http://www.rei.com/outlet/help/outletshipping.html

======================================
Regards,
crabcakes-ga
Reason this answer was rejected by verner-ga:
Hello Google Answers support,

This was the first time I used Google Answers and maybe I had to high
expectations and the answer "crabcakes" gave me is not satisfactory
after several attepts to clearify my question.

I specifically asked someone to find sites that offers gore-tex
products at so cheap prices that they are either fakes or have
defects. Crabcake did not listen very closely and digged up a bunch of
normal shopping sites.

Maybe I have missunderstood the point of Google Answers, but I'm not
going to pay someone to do a simple search and then do a long writeup
of sites that are not even close to what I'm interested in.

So I think the best alternative for me would be a refound.

Thank you,
/Andreas Vernersson

Comments  
Subject: Re: Cheap gore-tex jackets
From: leader-ga on 25 Nov 2003 08:44 PST
 
See if you can find anything on these stores:

Web Link
http://www.apparelsearch.com/World/Hong_Kong/hong_kong.htm
Subject: Re: Cheap gore-tex jackets
From: owain-ga on 26 Nov 2003 03:06 PST
 
If you are willing to be flexible on style and accept other than the
contemporary hiking/outdoors style jacket you may find what you are
looking for in Government Surplus. EG

Genuine Ex UK Police GORE-TEX / SYMPATEX FW jacket / coat Breathable
with Quilted, detachable, zip out liner. Shoulder epaulet loops.
GBP 15 to GBP 20 Sizes S, M, L, XL
Ladies version also available £12.50
http://www.camo.co.uk/coats.htm and shown at
http://www.camo.co.uk/pc30.htm

M.O.D. Police Goretex Jacket - Grade 1 - Current Issue
Black, 4 Outside Pockets, Detatchable Quilted Liner, Waterproof & Breathable 
M.O.D. Police Markings REMOVED, Excellent Grade 1 Condition, Top
Military Specifications
GBP 25
http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr202.html

Both the above would be ideal for security or other uniform applications.

Soldier 95 (Camouflage) Goretex Jacket, Excellent Grade 1 Condition 
Waterproof & Breathable, DPM Camo. Drawstring Waist & Hood, Zip &
Velcro Front fastening The Must Have Garment For ALL Outdoor
Activities
GBP 45
http://www.the-outdoor.co.uk/ishop/853/shopscr54.html

The above prices are retail and include VAT. If you can buy wholesale,
the Camouflage Goretex Jackets are 5 for GBP 100 + VAT at
http://www.ishop.co.uk/ishop/866/shopscr54.html
and the Police jackets are 5 for GBP 50 + VAT at
http://www.ishop.co.uk/ishop/866/shopscr257.html
linked from 
http://www.ishop.co.uk/ishop/866/shopscr4.html

Owain
Subject: Re: Cheap gore-tex jackets
From: endo-ga on 28 Nov 2003 21:23 PST
 
Hi,

The "fake" jackets you mention in Asia are probably not made out of
Gore-tex anyways. The material needs to be licensed and is very
expensive. Anything cheap is probably a Gore-tex imitation (even
though it might bear the name and the logo).

Thanks.
endo

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