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History of aircraft-related scandals in Canadian politics
Category: Relationships and Society > Government Asked by: jhabley-ga List Price: $20.00 |
Posted:
02 Dec 2003 08:33 PST
Expires: 01 Jan 2004 08:33 PST Question ID: 282624 |
Seems Canadian politicians always get into scandals about helicopters, airplanes, and other aircraft. I'm looking for four examples (at least one should be more than 25 or so years old) where Canadian politicians have been embroiled in a scandal about aircraft. Provincial politicians okay as well. I'm pricing this higher than usual because I require the answer by 12:30 PM Eastern time. |
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Re: History of aircraft-related scandals in Canadian politics
Answered By: bobbie7-ga on 02 Dec 2003 09:20 PST Rated: |
Hello again Jhabley, I will post my findings here and if I come across additional aircraft scandals in the next half hour I will post them for you. ========================= EH-101 Helicopter Debacle ========================= ?In 1993 the Liberal paid $500 million to cancel the $5.8 billion acquisition of 43 EH-101 helicopters to replace the 1960s vintage Sea Kings and the Labrador fleet. All 43 would have been delivered by 2003. The 15 Labradors have been replaced with the $790 million Cormorant deal. Delaying the Sea King replacement has meant soaring maintenance costs and frequently grounded copters --$60 million per year to maintain the Sea Kings; 30 ? 40 hours of maintenance for every 1-hour of flying time. The latest boondoggle on the replacement of the Sea King with less effective helicopters has been the splitting of the procurement into two parts and then revising the decision to do a one step procurement wasting more taxpayer money on poor decision making.? Source: Canadian Alliance https://www.canadianalliance.ca/english/pm/LibBoondoggles.asp EH101 helicopter contract http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:u2uuQ14PacQJ:www.aviationtoday.com/reports/rotorwing/previous/0103/0103paris.htm+site:www.aviationtoday.com+helicopter+scandal+in+canada&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 ============================ $100 million Challenger Jets ============================ ?Liberals purchased 2 new Challenger jets to add to its political fleet for $100 million at a time when the military is in desperate need of Sea King replacements. The new jets replaced two 19-year old jets that had a reliability rate of 99.18% while our Forces fly in dangerously old 40-year old Sea Kings.? Source: Canadian Alliance https://www.canadianalliance.ca/english/pm/LibBoondoggles.asp ?Mr. Gerry Ritz (Battlefords?Lloydminster, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, Shandong Airlines of China ordered four 604 Challenger jets from Bombardier for $100 million. Shandong cancelled two of those jets and then the Prime Minister bought them, two of them, for $100 million, twice the price. It is lucky for taxpayers Shandong did not cancel all four.? http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/2/parlbus/chambus/house/debates/006_2002-10-07/han006_1435-E.htm ?We start with the two new Challenger jets to fly the Prime Minister and cabinet ministers around. They were paid out of DND funds, even though the department itself advised that there were no problems with the existing aircraft.Given the difficulty the military has had in keeping its 40-year-old Sea Kings and Hercules transport planes in the air and the problems that have been identified with the CF-18 fleet, the Challenger jet purchase is an example of Liberal ministers putting their own comfort ahead of the safety and effectiveness of Canadians troops. The unnecessary jets are being purchased from where? Bombardier, a huge Liberal donor.? http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/2/parlbus/chambus/house/debates/021_2002-11-04/han021_1315-E.htm Pearson Airport ?Red Book promise to cancel the $750 million privatisation deal resulted in a cost of at least $60 million, which was paid out in the form of damages and legal cost and does not include the legal cost incurred by the Liberal government or massive economic loss due to slowed air traffic at Pearson.? https://www.canadianalliance.ca/english/pm/LibBoondoggles.asp ?They breached a signed contract in the Pearson Airport scandal. They denied compensation to the wronged parties. Then they were forced to pay $60-million in damages only taxpayers money.? http://jamesbredin.tripod.com/numberfour/id38.html Here's one from 1959 Worst political scandal: The scrapping of the Avro Arrow. In 1959, Avro Aircraft of Malton was building a combat plane which the US Defense Department called "the most advanced aircraft of its time". However, Prime Minister John Diefenbaker stopped it and ordered everything destroyed. Most Canadians believe that he gave into US pressure, as they had invested in a compatible, though inferior, project. This made Canadians once again question our sovereignty! http://www.bootsnall.com/namericatravelguides/ontario/dec99ontario.shtml Airbus Fiasco http://www.canadiangrassroots.ca/sections.php?op=printpage&artid=2933 Search criteria: Canadian aircraft OR airplane OR helicopter scandal Trudeau aircraft OR airplane OR helicopter scandal politician scandal aircraft OR airplane site:.ca As I said, I'll get back to you if I come across additional examples in the next half hour. Best regards, Bobbie7 | |
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jhabley-ga
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Very nice work and within my impossibly tight deadline. Bobbie7 remains one of the best researchers on this system! |
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Subject:
Re: History of aircraft-related scandals in Canadian politics
From: bobbie7-ga on 02 Dec 2003 09:05 PST |
Hi Jhabley! I found two aircraft related scandals. I will post them as a comment for now since you need the information as soon as possible. If you are interested in the partial information that I was able to locate, you could lower the price of your question accordingly. (You can change the price by going to "My Account," selecting "My Unanswered Questions", clicking on the question, and then clicking on "Change Question Parameters" to modify the pricing.) Thanks, Bobbie7 ========================= EH-101 Helicopter Debacle ========================= ?In 1993 the Liberal paid $500 million to cancel the $5.8 billion acquisition of 43 EH-101 helicopters to replace the 1960s vintage Sea Kings and the Labrador fleet. All 43 would have been delivered by 2003. The 15 Labradors have been replaced with the $790 million Cormorant deal. Delaying the Sea King replacement has meant soaring maintenance costs and frequently grounded copters --$60 million per year to maintain the Sea Kings; 30 ? 40 hours of maintenance for every 1-hour of flying time. The latest boondoggle on the replacement of the Sea King with less effective helicopters has been the splitting of the procurement into two parts and then revising the decision to do a one step procurement wasting more taxpayer money on poor decision making.? Source: Canadian Alliance https://www.canadianalliance.ca/english/pm/LibBoondoggles.asp EH101 helicopter contract http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:u2uuQ14PacQJ:www.aviationtoday.com/reports/rotorwing/previous/0103/0103paris.htm+site:www.aviationtoday.com+helicopter+scandal+in+canada&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 ============================ $100 million Challenger Jets ============================ ?Liberals purchased 2 new Challenger jets to add to its political fleet for $100 million at a time when the military is in desperate need of Sea King replacements. The new jets replaced two 19-year old jets that had a reliability rate of 99.18% while our Forces fly in dangerously old 40-year old Sea Kings.? Source: Canadian Alliance https://www.canadianalliance.ca/english/pm/LibBoondoggles.asp ?Mr. Gerry Ritz (Battlefords?Lloydminster, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, Shandong Airlines of China ordered four 604 Challenger jets from Bombardier for $100 million. Shandong cancelled two of those jets and then the Prime Minister bought them, two of them, for $100 million, twice the price. It is lucky for taxpayers Shandong did not cancel all four.? http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/2/parlbus/chambus/house/debates/006_2002-10-07/han006_1435-E.htm ?We start with the two new Challenger jets to fly the Prime Minister and cabinet ministers around. They were paid out of DND funds, even though the department itself advised that there were no problems with the existing aircraft.Given the difficulty the military has had in keeping its 40-year-old Sea Kings and Hercules transport planes in the air and the problems that have been identified with the CF-18 fleet, the Challenger jet purchase is an example of Liberal ministers putting their own comfort ahead of the safety and effectiveness of Canadians troops. The unnecessary jets are being purchased from where? Bombardier, a huge Liberal donor.? http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/2/parlbus/chambus/house/debates/021_2002-11-04/han021_1315-E.htm |
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Re: History of aircraft-related scandals in Canadian politics
From: bobbie7-ga on 02 Dec 2003 09:08 PST |
Here's another one: Pearson Airport ?Red Book promise to cancel the $750 million privatisation deal resulted in a cost of at least $60 million, which was paid out in the form of damages and legal cost and does not include the legal cost incurred by the Liberal government or massive economic loss due to slowed air traffic at Pearson.? https://www.canadianalliance.ca/english/pm/LibBoondoggles.asp ?They breached a signed contract in the Pearson Airport scandal. They denied compensation to the wronged parties. Then they were forced to pay $60-million in damages only taxpayers money.? http://jamesbredin.tripod.com/numberfour/id38.html |
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Re: History of aircraft-related scandals in Canadian politics
From: bobbie7-ga on 02 Dec 2003 09:09 PST |
Airbus Fiasco http://www.canadiangrassroots.ca/sections.php?op=printpage&artid=2933 |
Subject:
Re: History of aircraft-related scandals in Canadian politics
From: jhabley-ga on 02 Dec 2003 09:10 PST |
Thanks Bobbie --is that latest one fairly old? there's no date on it... is it more than 25 years in the past? |
Subject:
Re: History of aircraft-related scandals in Canadian politics
From: bobbie7-ga on 02 Dec 2003 09:12 PST |
Here's one from 1959 Worst political scandal: The scrapping of the Avro Arrow. In 1959, Avro Aircraft of Malton was building a combat plane which the US Defense Department called "the most advanced aircraft of its time". However, Prime Minister John Diefenbaker stopped it and ordered everything destroyed. Most Canadians believe that he gave into US pressure, as they had invested in a compatible, though inferior, project. This made Canadians once again question our sovereignty! http://www.bootsnall.com/namericatravelguides/ontario/dec99ontario.shtml |
Subject:
Re: History of aircraft-related scandals in Canadian politics
From: jhabley-ga on 02 Dec 2003 09:14 PST |
That's good enough for me! Thanks Bobbie -- consider it answered! If you run across any other historical ones in the next 15-30 minutes, I'd love to see them too, but this is formally good enough. :) |
Subject:
Re: History of aircraft-related scandals in Canadian politics
From: bobbie7-ga on 02 Dec 2003 09:28 PST |
Dear Jhabley, Thank you for your very kind words and five star rating! --Bobbie |
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