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Subject: Jazz in Paris in the early 60s
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Music
Asked by: ross17-ga
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Posted: 09 Dec 2003 12:31 PST
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Question ID: 285366
I would like to find out which American jazz groups came to Paris to
play in Paris clubs or at the jazz festivals in the fall of 1961 and
early in 1962

Request for Question Clarification by clouseau-ga on 10 Dec 2003 17:23 PST
Hello ross17,

After a pretty extensive search, I have been able to locate about a
dozen American jazz artists or groups that were recorded live in Paris
in 1961 or 1962. Most of these do not list the month of the
performances.

If this would be sufficient to answer your question, please let me
know with a Clarification and I will be notified and will be happy to
post this as an answer.

Best regards,

-=clouseau=-

Clarification of Question by ross17-ga on 11 Dec 2003 09:15 PST
If there is a way to find out what venu they were recorded at, that
would be especially helpful.

Clarification of Question by ross17-ga on 11 Dec 2003 09:23 PST
Dear Clouseau,

The reason I ask that is that I also need the names of clubs these
groups would have performed at so if you can't find the specific ones
from the recordings, names of a few possible places would be really
helpful.

Request for Question Clarification by clouseau-ga on 11 Dec 2003 09:47 PST
Hi again,

Three of the venues are listed. I **might** be able to dig a little
deeper at the rest of the discographies and come up with a little
more, but could only guarantee information on these three venues at
the moment. And more than one artist played these venues in this time
frame, so it may be that these were the only, or at least most popular
Paris Jazz venues at the time.

Do note also that there seems to be a number of Paris concerts in
later years such as 1964, 1966, etc. I am not sure the significance of
the time frame in your question, but could locate a bit more if the
time was not so restrictive.

Could you tell me a bit more about what information is particularly of
interest to you as an answer to this question?

-=clouseau=-

Clarification of Question by ross17-ga on 11 Dec 2003 09:57 PST
I am doing research on a novel set in Paris in the fall of 1961 and
early 1962. One of the characters is a jazz musician living in Paris
in semiretirement.  I am trying to find out what real musicians might
have been in contact with my fictional musician and where he might
have gone to see them and maybe even play with them for a number or
two.

Request for Question Clarification by clouseau-ga on 11 Dec 2003 10:10 PST
Ahhh. Now I understand a bit better. Thanks.

Well, you can see whay I was reluctant to post my findings as an
official answer and preferred to chat about it first. I try to avoid
presenting an answer that will not meet my customer's needs.

With that in mind, if the listing of 12 or 13 musicians / groups that
did play Paris some time in 1961 and 1962 and three (or more venues if
I can locate any additional) will be helpful for you, let me know and
I will post my findings. If not, just post that you wuld like more
than I have been able to find and perhaps another researcher will
undertake the question and have better success than I have had.

Best,

-=clouseau=-

Clarification of Question by ross17-ga on 11 Dec 2003 11:04 PST
Yes, it sounds like that information would be great. Please proceed to
the answer stage. And thank you for your help.

Ross
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Subject: Re: Jazz in Paris in the early 60s
Answered By: clouseau-ga on 11 Dec 2003 12:01 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hello ross17,

Thank you for your question and allowing my findings as an answer.


It seems a number of notable American Jazz musicians played Paris in
1961 and 1962. Most of the following has been pieced together from
their discographies and you will find that the exact date is not
easily available in most cases.

John Coltrane - Live Trane
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/articles/arti1101_01.htm

"...Disc One: Impressions (11:14)*/ My Favorite Things (25:11)*/ Blue
Train (8:54)*/ Naima (4:05)*/ Impressions (7:17)*/ My Favorite Things
(20:27)*. Recorded: November 18, 1961, Paris & November 23, 1961,
Stockholm.

Disc Two: Mr. P.C. (11:17)*/ Mile?s Mode (10:34)*/ My Favorite Things
(19:09)*/ Norman Granz Introduction (1:44)/ Bye Bye Blackbird
(19:48)*/ The Inch Worm (10:17)*/ Ev?ry Time We Say Goodbye (4:58)*.
Recorded: November 25, 1961, Hamburg & November 17, 1962, Paris.

Disc Three: Mr. P.C. (15:13)/ My Favorite Things (23:55)/ The Inch
Worm (7:06)/ Mr. P.C. (15:03)/ Naima (9:24). Recorded: November 17,
1962, Paris & November 19, 1962, Stockholm..."


Players: John Coltrane- tenor & soprano saxophones; Eric Dolphy-alto
saxophone, flute & bass clarinet*; Reggie Workman- bass*; McCoy Tyner-
piano; Jimmy Garrison- bass (all tracks without Workman); Elvin Jones-
drums.

Here we have confirmed recordings of one of the most well known jazz
recording artists ever in exactly the time frame you desired. You will
find more interesting information on this set of recordings on this
page:
http://www.musthear.com/reviews/livetrane.html

"...My first jazz CD ever--ever!--was Coltrane?s Paris Concert, which
is nestled into this collection, and, which I now learn, is a mishmash
of different concerts in Paris from several different tours. I don?t
remember why I chose that CD. I just reached for the first jazz album
on a rudimentary list of names I had made, and that happened to be it.
I listened to that disc so many times before I bought another jazz
title that I came to view the Paris Concert as the quintessence of
Coltrane, the quintessence of jazz.

Maybe I did. Jazz was at a kind of crisis point when Trane played
these shows in 1961 to 1963, or was about to be. The free-jazz stuff,
with Ornette Coleman blowing it all out of the water and Cecil Taylor
banging away the past, was at hand. In these live dates, we hear a
Trane just broken loose from Miles, headed off into, well, into
himself, which I?ll get to. That historic crisis moment, for artist
and art, I believe is the point at which the most important and
interesting work was done last century, and Trane emblemizes one path
out of the thicket. He turned within and perfected improvisation in
one uncompromising direction.

There are other pleasures in these discs. For those who have not heard
Coltrane?s live stuff, it?s just as you would imagine. While he didn?t
hold back in the studio, he did have constraints there, such as the
length of an LP side. Live, he could play as long as he wanted, and he
loved the energy of a live performance. His wasn?t a rock band playing
the same song over and over again in the same way. On these seven
discs are six versions of ?My Favorite Things,? the longest clocking
in at 25:11, with every one vastly different in mood and feeling. The
longest cut we get is a 27:15 version of ?Impressions,? and within
those tracks and all the others, I do find the quintessence of jazz as
not just a point of crisis, but a point of synthesis, too: We get the
blues, some hard-bop, some free-jazz reachings, and almost rock and
roll.

The chronology goes like this: Trane?s first European tour was in
1961, with McCoy Tyner on piano, Reggie Workman on bass, and Elvin
Jones on drums. Eric Dolphy plays all over Disc 1 and on a number of
tracks on Disc 2, including my favorite track in the box, in which he
plays flute on a 19:09 version of ?My Favorite Things.? On the second
European tour, from 1962 to 1963, Trane played with the same lineup,
sometimes dropping the piano and just going with a trio, him and the
Elvin Jones propelled rhythm section. I prefer the larger band, but
that?s just because I?m a sucker for great piano, and McCoy Tyner was
a great piano player. All the personnel choices are flawless..."

And while trying to find the locations of the Paris concerts, I came
across this page:
http://home.att.net/~dawild/livetrane_tegnell_letter.htm

"...During the past few weeks, several Coltrane listserv subscribers
have analyzed and discussed the contents of the box set. We have
determined that Miller has in actuality cleared up just one prior
inaccuracy, while introducing numerous new errors. In brief, Miller
has assigned incorrect dates and locations to eight (more than 20%) of
the set?s thirty-seven performances (see details below, or reference
discographer David Wild?s
website--http://home.att.net/~dawild/livetrane.htm). We have also
learned that neither Fujioka nor Porter was afforded the opportunity
to hear the tapes, prior to their release...."

And this page:
http://home.att.net/~dawild/livetrane_tours.htm

"...Late in 1961 Granz paired Coltrane (by then leading a quintet with
multi-instrumentalist Eric Dolphy, pianist McCoy Tyner, bassist Reggie
Workman and drummer Elvin Jones) with Dizzy Gillespie?s group, in a
tour of England and the continent.   This tour immediately followed
the legendary stay at the Village Vanguard in New York City which led
to the Live at the Village Vanguard recordings.   Coltrane did not do
well in England, but the continental response was warm enough to
persuade Granz to bring the quartet (Coltrane, Tyner, bassist Jimmy
Garrison, and Jones) back in the fall of ?62 and again in ?63.

The final Coltrane tour of Europe was a short one, just a week or so
at the end of July, beginning of August 1965.  That tour, not
represented in the box set, produced a live version of A Love Supreme.

The '61 tour started in England with concerts in London (11/11),
Birmingham (11/12),   Newcastel (11/13), Glasgow (11/14), Leicester
(11/15), Brighton (11/16),  and Walthamstow (11/17).  The Continental
portion began in Parris (11/18), followed by Scheveningen, Holland and
Amsterdam (11/19), Copenhagen (11/20), Goteborg Sweden (11/21),
Helsinki (11/22), Stockholm (11/23), a TV show taped in Baden-baden
West Germany (11/24), Hamburg (11/25), Copenhagen (second concert,
11/26), Frankfurt (11/27), Dusseldorf (11/28), Stuttgart (1129),
Nuremberg (11/30),  Munich (12/1) and finally Berlin (12/2).

1962's tour began in Paris (11/17), followed by Stockholm (11/19),
Helsinki (11/20), 11/21 (Oslo), Copenhagen (11/22), Dusseldorf (1123),
Hamburg (11/25), Graz (11/28), Zurich (11/30), Scheveningen and
Amsterdam (12/1), and  Milan (12/2).  (Some additional concerts
occurred in Germany on the open dates)...."

This page mentions him playing the Olympia, which I found to be a
popular Paris Jazz venue (translated):
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.rondomagazin.de/jazz/cddesmonats/015.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Live%2BTrane%2B%2522%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8

"..In the years 1961, 1962 and 1963 tourte John Coltrane by Europe and
demonstrated the current conditions of its arts. The public reacted
either euphorisiert, helpless or verschnupft as in Paris, where one
threw coins on the stage of the Olympia. On the other hand
particularly understanding analyses and Lobeshymnen from European
critics, which did not spoil in the states of the criticism the stay
in Europe versuessten, come. Coltrane was so content with the
achievement its volume that he increased its salaries with the first
European tour..."


Laserlight Records mentions:
http://www.crazyjazz.co.uk/Labels/L/LASERLIGHT.htm

LOUIS ARMSTRONG AND HIS ALL STARS : IN CONCERT OLYMPIA, PARIS - (1962)
: LASERLIGHT : 4.50 :

Also at Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000J7T0/ref%3Dnosim/aguidetojazztrum/103-7145662-4680663

COUNT BASIE & HIS ORCHESTRA : LIVE AT PALAIS DE CHAILLOT, 1960 &
OLYMPIA, 1962 - (Ex EUROPE 1/TREMA) : LASERLIGHT : 8.95 : 2

GERRY MULLIGAN QUARTET - BOB BROOKMEYER / BILL CROW / GUS JOHNSON :
LIVE AT OLYMPIA, PARIS - (1962 - Ex EUROPE 1/TREMA) : LASERLIGHT :
4.50 :

You will find a number of other live recordings from Paris for other
years on this page as well.

And this page is entitled Jazz in Paris:
http://www.crazyjazz.co.uk/labels/j/jazzinparis.htm

ART BLAKEY - LEE MORGAN / WAYNE SHORTER / JYMIE MERRITT / WALTER DAVIS
/ BUD POWELL / BARNEY WILEN : PARIS JAM SESSION - (1962 - Ex FONTANA)
(JAZZ IN PARIS) : EMARCY : 6.00 :

Other sites seem to claim this concert as either 1958 or 1959. It is
possible that 1961 was the release date of the recording.

Verve Music Group places it here:
http://www.vervemusicgroup.com/product.aspx?ob=disc&src=art&pid=9747

"...In 1959, (December 18th, a Friday) the Theatre des Champs-Elysees
was the scene of a concert where the audience might have thought they
were being taken for a ride.  For a start, the programme turned out to
be quite different from the one announced: the list of musicians was
correct, but the actual existence of "Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers Big
Band" was merely wishful thinking...and as for the "new compositions
and original arrangements by Raymond Fol, Jack Marray (alias Duke
Jordan), Lee Morgan, Martial Solal and Barney Wilen", which the ghost
band was scheduled to perform, it seems that not a single note had
ever been scored..."

It *might* be possible there is more than one date / recording for
this band in Paris in that era. FOr example:

Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006RTDV/bridgebooks/103-7145662-4680663

1961 Paris Concert 


McCoy Tyner
http://www.sinewaves.it/tyner.htm

The Complete Paris Concerts - Magnetic MRCD 8114 CD, 1961

Now, this page ties in more information on this ocncert:
http://www.alwaysontherun.net/coltrane/paris.htm

The Complete Paris Concert

1st Concert :
1. Blue Trane J. Coltrane 12:40 
2. I Want To Talk About You B. Eckstine 6:45 
3. Impressions J. Coltrane 10:41 
4. My Favorite Things
R. Rodgers - O. Hammerstein 22:21

2nd Concert :
1. I Want To Talk About You B. Eckstine 9:27 
2. Blue Trane J. Coltrane 12:40 
3. My Favorite Things 
R. Rodgers - O. Hammerstein 25:11

John Coltrane, ss, ts; Eric Dolphy, fl, as, bcl;
McCoy Tyner, p; Reggie Workman, b; Elvin Jones, dr.

Location: Radio Broadcast, 
'Olympia Theatre', Paris, France

Recorded date: 18 Nov 61



Thelonius Monk
http://art.staviator.com/T/Thelonious_Monk.html

(1961) Monk in France

More information here:
http://www.emusic.com/cd/10603/10603398.html

"...During a 1961 European Tour on which he found himself lionized and
entertained like visiting royalty Thelonious Monk was recorded in
concert at Thibtre L'Olympe in Paris. Relaxed and delighted at the
reception, Monk and his quartet played a congenial program of his
compositions and three standards. This OJC album of music from the
event incorporates two tracks, "Crepuscule with Nellie" and "Body and
Soul," not originally included in Riverside's Monk in France. Monk is
featured in two unaccompanied selections, one of them a notably
elliptical treatment of one of his favorite obscure pieces from the
popular repertoire of the 1920s, "Just a Gigolo."



Jimmy Garrison
http://www.garrisonjazz.com/Jimmy%20Garrison.html

1962 John Coltrane, Paris Concert

Bud Powell
http://www.antoniofraioli.com/BEBOPdiscografia7.htm

Blue Note Cafe, Paris (1961 ESP)

also here: http://www.espdisk.com/esp1066.html
and here: http://www.jazzdisco.org/bud/dis/

"...The Three Bosses w. Zoot Sims  Blue Note Cafe, Paris, France, Jan., 1961 
Barney Wilen - Bud Powell 4  Italy, Apr. 21, 1961 
Bud Powell 3  Comblain-la-Tour, Belgium, July, 1961 
Don Byas - Bud Powell 5  Studio Charlot, Paris, France, Dec. 15, 1961 
The Three Bosses  Paris, France, Dec. 17, 1961 
Bud Powell - Francis Paudras 2  Francis Paudras' home, Rue de
Boursault, Paris, France, 1961..."

Frank Sinatra
http://www.cinepad.com/sinatra/fs_paris.htm

Frank Sinatra and Sextet
Live in Paris 1962

(Reprise Records, 1994)
Recorded June 5, 1962, in Paris
26 tracks / running time: 73.52 / Stereo

This page lists the venue:
http://www.sinatraarchive.com/concert/6064.htm

"...June 5, 1962 The Lido, Paris, France
Bill Miller Sextet: Emil Richards (Vibes), Al Viola (Guitar), Irv
Cottler (Drums), Ralph Pana (Bass), Harry Klee (Flute, Sax, Clarinet),
Bill Miller (Piano)


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TP#NT
June 7, 1962 The Olympia, Paris, France
Bill Miller Sextet: Emil Richards (Vibes), Al Viola (Guitar), Irv
Cottler (Drums), Ralph Pana (Bass), Harry Klee (Flute, Sax, Clarinet),
Bill Miller (Piano)

 1. Intro By: Charles Aznavour
 2. Goody Goody
 3. Imagination
 4. At Long Last Love
 5. Moonlight In Vermont
 6. Without A Song
 7. Day In, Day Out
 8. I've Got You Under My Skin
 9. I Get A Kick Out Of You
10. The Second Time Around
11. Too Marvelous With Words    
12. My Funny Valentine
13. In The Still Of The Night
14. April In Paris 15. You're Nobody Til Somebody Loves You
16. Monologue
17. They Can't Take That Away From Me
18. Chicago
19. Night And Day
20. I Could Have Danced All Night
21. One For My Baby
22. All The Way
23. A Foggy Day
24. Ol' Man River
25. The Lady Is A Tramp
26. I Love Paris
27. Nancy
28. Come Fly With Me ..."


A Japanese Jazz Page
http://homepage1.nifty.com/ModernJazzNavigator/years/all21.htm

1961.12: Zoot Sims/ Zoot Sims in Paris

The venue is mentioned here:
http://homepage1.nifty.com/ModernJazzNavigator/cddatabase/zs14.htm

ZOOT SIMS ts
HENRI RENAUD p
BOB WHITLOCK b
JEAN-LOUIS VIALE ds
Recorded at BLUE NOTE PARIS, in Dec 1961


Lionel Hampton
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005M658/ref%3Dase%5Fholisticopia-20/103-7145662-4680663

Paris Jazz Concert (live) 1961 & 1966 

This was also at the Olympia:
http://launch.yahoo.com/album/default.asp?albumID=79980

From Usenet Groups - or Google Groups
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=paris+%2B%22jazz+concert%22%2B1961+OR+1962&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=HOMZY-210394120301%40fp-music-200-232.concordia.ca&rnum=1

"...In the June issue - 1993 No. 427, of Jazz Magazine (French) there
is a 2-page ad for 9 CD sets presumably produced from concerts by
Frank Tenot & Daniel Filipacchi. The items are:
 
Single CD packages-
 
...Louis Armstrong - Olympia Theatre , 24 April 1962      REF: 710415

 Double CD packages-
 
Count Basie - Palais de Chaillot, 29 Mars 1960 - Olympia Theatre , 5
May 1962      REF: 710411 - 2 CD
 
 Art Blakey  - Olympia Theatre, 13 May 1961      RF: 710373 - 2 CD...
 

Search Strategy:

paris +jazz +performance OR concert +1961 +1962
paris +"jazz concert"+1961 OR 1962
1961 OR 1962 +paris +jazz


I trust my research has provided you with information usable for your
novel. If a link above should fail to work or anything require further
explanation or research, please do post a Request for Clarification
prior to rating the answer and closing the question and I will be
pleased to assist further.

Regards,

-=clouseau=-
ross17-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars

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