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Q: Search Results For Do Not Come Up Correctly ( Answered 4 out of 5 stars,   0 Comments )
Subject: Search Results For Do Not Come Up Correctly
Category: Sports and Recreation > Travel
Asked by: michaelseven-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 13 Dec 2003 01:15 PST
Expires: 12 Jan 2004 01:15 PST
Question ID: 286620
When I search I get: "Google can show you the following
information for this URL":
"Find web pages that are similar to" does not work and
"Find web pages that link to" also does not work. The
links that are associated with them are not correct. When I use: nothing comes up until I add www. and then I get
the search results. Also, when I use:
nothing comes up until I delete the ergs0XpuEKAJ from the line. Then I
get 133 sites that link to, Can this be fixed? I am the
webmaster for and believe that the info that you have
associated with my site is keeping me from being listed in the top
1000 results! I am, willing to pay to have this fixed. Please help.
Michael Castello

Request for Question Clarification by robertskelton-ga on 13 Dec 2003 18:47 PST
Google sometimes treats and as seperate
entities, because technically the www is a sub-domain (just like is a sub-domain, and treated as a different site).

Google tends to only show some of the links to a site, although this
is not officially documented.

There is no relationship between the problems you have outlined above
and any failure to rank well. I can tell you what the real reasons
probably are, however no Google Answers Researcher can tell you with
any certainty. We have no inside knowledge and no contact with the
Google search engineers. All we have is personal experience, knowledge
gained from participation in forums and good research skills.

Did you previously a high ranking? If so, what keywords was it for,
and did the change happen a few weeks ago?

Clarification of Question by michaelseven-ga on 14 Dec 2003 02:26 PST
Thank you. I have tried many differing ways to list the home/index
page over the last year but nothing works. There are sub-level pages
on that are listed in google but not the top page. It
has never appeared in Google and I have seached through every search
result (1000 results) using "Long Beach" and my home page
( can not be found. I have never run into
this with any of my other sites before. I has me stumped.

Subject: Re: Search Results For Do Not Come Up Correctly
Answered By: robertskelton-ga on 14 Dec 2003 15:15 PST
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
Hi Michael,

You site has been indexed by Google. Do a Google search for "the
Waterfront and Shoreline shopping districts" (with the quotes).

I have found multiple problems with your site, which are valid reasons
for it not doing well in the search results.

Duplicate Content
You have duplicate content on another site,

Google guidelines say:

"Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with
substantially duplicate content."

Google will have noticed that the two domains have the same content.
Normally in this situation Google determines which site is the main
one, and which is the copy, and it ignores the copy. However there
seems to be some kind of glitch, because when you check for Backward
Links to, all the links are actually pointing to

Perhaps one was re-directing to the other?

Google relies on a site's popularity to provide relevant search
results. Essentially each link to your site is a vote for its

'PageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by using
its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page's value.
In essence, Google interprets a link from page A to page B as a vote,
by page A, for page B. But, Google looks at more than the sheer volume
of votes, or links a page receives; it also analyzes the page that
casts the vote. Votes cast by pages that are themselves "important"
weigh more heavily and help to make other pages "important." '

All the links to your site are coming from your other sites, or are
listed as partner sites on Boulevards New Media sites like:

In an election these would be seen as buying votes. Obviously such
linking schemes degrade the quality of search results, because the
"votes" for your site aren't genuine.

"Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's
ranking or PageRank".

Yes, Google would consider the links from your other sites to be a
link scheme. All of your sites are liable to be penalized by Google
because of this. I thoroughly recommend striving to get some more
genuine links pointing to your site(s).

It appears that has been picked on because it is not
linking back to your other sites - this isn't particularly logical,
but Google's algorithm is complex, and this is the only notable
difference has from your other sites.

Florida Update / Filter
A few weeks ago Google updated its index, and it has been dubbed by
webmasters "The Florida Update". At the same time Google introduced a
filter to combat the use of artificial link strategies to boost

A month ago, having a single phrase in every link to your site, and
using that same phrase in on-the-page optimizing, was an extremely
powerful strategy, albeit in a grey-area of Google's guideines.

With the Florida update there have been a huge number of sites
targeting commercial keywords drop out of the search results. Debate
is continuing, and an agreement on what has caused this is far from
being reached. I have been in discussions involving many experts in
the field, and this is my own take on what has happened:

1) Google uses the words in and around links to a page as a ranking factor

2) Either due to the introduction of stemming in the search results,
or just a general desire to make results more relevant, Google
introduced a filter to dampen the affect link text has on sites that
are using link text to influence search results

3) Link text works great for non-commercial sites, so the filter only
affects commercial keywords (possibly those that are bidded on in
Google Adwords)

4) The filter dampens the affect of all links pointing to a page,
internal or external

5) The filter only kicks in when it sees the same keyphrase repeated
over and over again

6) The filter might then also look for on-the-page optimizing for that
phrase, and possibly determine whether a page is being overly

7) Sites affected by the filter almost always drop a few hundred
spots. I think that this is because link text was the only factor that
had them so high in the first place, but it could also be a set

There have been a few tricks that show how the results would be
without the filter. Currently adding:

+and OR +the your search query works. It might not work tomorrow. Doing a search for:

long beach +and OR +the

...shows your site at #85. This is the rank you would have without the
filter kicking in and demoting your ranking, apparantly knocking it
out of the top 1000.

Google will have noticed the similarity of all the links pointing to
your site - not just the anchor text of "Long Beach", but the
surrounding text also being the same. On this basis it has applied the

It's important to realise that while all sites that have dropped
rapidly conform to my ideas of what is triggering the filter, not all
sites that fit the criteria have been affected.

The Solution
Based on the new filter, and the way Google works out search ranking,
the "trick" of having lots of sites linking to yours using your
targeted keywords is on its way out.

The answer is to attempt to get some genuine links pointing to your
site. This is not easy. Ultimately the better your site is, the more
useful it is, the more likely others are to link to it.

Your sites are good local directories, and simply going to other local
sites and letting them know you exist could get you some good links.
Also, if you haven't already done so, submit your sites to Open
Directory, to categories like:

Regional: North America: United States: California: Localities: L:
Long Beach: Business and Economy

My advice is to retain your inter-site linking for the time being,
because this "trick" is still delivering good rankings for your other
sites. However, this is bound to stop working one day, and if you
don't get some genuine quality links pointing to each of your sites,
you could lose out.

I have tried to summarize what is a tricky and complicated situation.
If any of the above is unclear, or if you have further questions on
this topic, just ask for a clarification and I'll get back to you.

Best wishes,
michaelseven-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $10.00
Although I was not sure that this was the appropriate forum for asking
a "Google rating" question, Robert replied to my question very well. I
do not believe it was the the complete answer I desired since I feel
it would be have been a technical solution which would have been out
of the scope of this area. I felt it was worth the $50.

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