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Legal Trivia: Why is Legal Sized "Legal"?
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: yoyo-ga List Price: $20.00 |
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18 Jun 2002 17:20 PDT
Expires: 18 Jul 2002 17:20 PDT Question ID: 28757 |
I work in a law firm and have become intrigued with "legal size" paper. My question pertains to the history, meaning and significance of what we call legal sized paper. First, when was legal sized paper first used? What is the "history" of legal-sized paper? Second, and related, why is it 8.4x14 as opposed to the standard letter size of 8.5x11? Third, why are legal pads traditionally yellow as opposed to white? The answer(s) I am looking for would include relevant dates, places and people. The standard for your answer should be, would a lawyer (or interested non-lawyer) find the answer interesting, funny, etc. Details are the key. Thanks. |
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Re: Legal Trivia: Why is Legal Sized "Legal"?
Answered By: thx1138-ga on 18 Jun 2002 19:13 PDT |
Dear yoyo thank you for this interesting question which I have wondered about in the past too! Here are the answers: 1.As for the date when legal sized paper was first used: We note that by the 1870s a paper size called legal cap or legal blank had emerged that was 8-1/2 inches wide and anywhere from 13 to 16 inches long. 2. 8.4x14 Vs 8.5x11 The situation with legal size (8-1/2x14) is equally murky. It arguably does derive from foolscap, a traditional paper size" also "I believe our standard 8-1/2x11 typing paper is a quarter sheet of what eighteenth and nineteenth-century papermakers would call `writing medium.' Printers used a medium sheet of 18x23 inches but stationers preferred a smaller version of medium measuring 17x22 inches.... " 3.Why do lawyers use yellow pads? "Because they are allegedly (like the use of that lawyerly term?) easier on the eyes than white paper. And for people who have to write and read a lot, it makes sense to use something that's easier on the eyes." http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mattorney.html Some of the humour I stumbled across too: "lawyers use legal size because they need 14 inches to say what ordinary folks can fit in 11." If 8.5 x 14 paper is considered 'legal' size is everything else illegal? Will we go to jail if we use illegal paper? Will the paper police pick us up or will we just be shredded? http://www.gadzillionthings.net/Think153.html I hope this answers your question which I enjoyed researching too ! THX1138 Search Term used: "lawyers write on yellow" (Believe it or not!) ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&q=%22lawyers+write+on+yellow%22+&btnG=Google+Search |
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Re: Legal Trivia: Why is Legal Sized "Legal"?
From: robertskelton-ga on 18 Jun 2002 18:02 PDT |
The United States and Canada are today the only industrialized nations in which the ISO standard paper sizes are not yet widely used. In U.S. office applications, the paper formats "Letter" (216 × 279 mm), "Legal" (216 × 356 mm), "Executive" (190 × 254 mm), and "Ledger/Tabloid" (279 × 432 mm) are widely used today. The historic origins of the 216 × 279 mm U.S. Letter format [ and presumably Legal ], and in particular its rationale, seem rather obscure. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-paper.html |
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Re: Legal Trivia: Why is Legal Sized "Legal"?
From: weisstho-ga on 18 Jun 2002 19:41 PDT |
In some jurisdictions these days it is "illegal" (actually against the court rules or filing rules) to file legal papers on legal paper. You have to use 8 1/2 x 11. weisstho-ga |
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Re: Legal Trivia: Why is Legal Sized "Legal"?
From: helena1-ga on 18 Jun 2002 20:01 PDT |
While not a complete answer, consider the following: I work in the legal field. Originally, contracts were almost always written out on 14" paper. (No, I don't know why.) Legal came to differentiate standard documents from contracts. Now, having said that, I hate legal pads...it's almost impossible to utilize one on one's lap. A desk is a must. Helena |
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