The government used to post the "treasury numbers" of the total
amounts created each day in the daily newspapers, like the N.Y. Daily
News.  Could anyone please give me the list of treasury numbers for
August 1964?

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Request for Question Clarification by darrel-ga on 17 Dec 2003 18:17 PST

I want to clarify that you're looking for the amounts of money printed
or created during August 1964 by the US Treasury. Correct?

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Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 17 Dec 2003 19:27 PST

Could you please explain in a bit more detail what the "treasury
numbers" were, as you recollect them.

Also, do you want a particular day's numbers in August 1964, or do you
want the figures for the entire month of August?

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Clarification of Question by kregwill-ga on 18 Dec 2003 05:28 PST

I  believe "treasury number" does refer to the amount of money printed
or created by the treasury each day. I would like each day's figures.
I believe these were the source for the illegal "numbers" bookkeepers
on the East Coast paid off on at that time.  I have a personal reason
for trying to trace this.
I may be wrong, but I can only tell by seeing the whole month's list.
My real goal is to find out the list of those three-digit betting
numbers, but I don't know any other way.  Thanks for trying.

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Request for Question Clarification by omnivorous-ga on 18 Dec 2003 09:58 PST

Kregwill --

I've heard a number of schemes used by bookmakers for winning numbers,
including the last three digits of the Dow-Jones Industrial Average.

I've checked the New York Times from the period and it appears that
the most-likely source for your random number selection would come
from the daily Treasury Statement.  It does not have money supply
numbers to which you might be referring.  (I did a search for "money
supply" on a pair of dates and didn't get any references.)

Here's what's in a Treasury Statement, with 4 columns for
month-to-date; corresponding period last year; fiscal year; previous
fiscal year:

DEPOSITS
Total deposits
Less refunds of receipts
Net deposits
Individual income taxes
Other individual taxes
Corporation income taxes
Excise taxes
Customs



WITHDRAWALS
Military
Civil
Foreign economic assistance
Atomic Energy Commission
NASA
Veterans Administration
Commodity Credit Corp.
HEW
Interest on public debt
Federal employees retirement
General Old Age and Disability Trust
Highway Trust
Railroad Retirement
Unemployment Trust
Veterans Life Insurance Funds
All Other
Total withdrawals (net)


Total increase or decrease in public debt
Gross public debt to-date

The Treasury Statement also includes gold depsoits and balances.


Please let us know if you believe that a set of these numbers would
match your needs.

Best regards,

Omnivorous-GA

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Request for Question Clarification by omnivorous-ga on 18 Dec 2003 10:00 PST

Kregwill --

There's one other thing that I should mention:  unlike market
averages, which are reported the next day, there is some delay in the
government data.

For example: in the Saturday, Aug. 1, 1964 NY Times the government
numbers were released on July 31; they reflect balances at close of
business on July 28.

Best regards,

Omnivorous-GA

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Clarification of Question by kregwill-ga on 19 Dec 2003 14:20 PST

I would guess the total deposits and net deposits.  I would guess the
first column and the third column. I had bet the lead number of the
last three digits for about 10-18 times, increasing my bets.  I picked
the one number that hadn't come out as a lead in the previous four or
five weeks.  That's what I'm looking for:  a lead (first of three)
number that came out for the first time at around  day number 10-18. 
It paid off, finally (after much anguish), but I never remembered the
actual three-digit number.  I can't tell you the lead, but this could
help you check it out to find which column or columns might satisfy
that.  Naturally there will be multiple answers in such a short number
of random numbers, but I will pay off for you giving me all the daily
numbers for total deposits and net deposits for those two columns. If
it's not there, I have to accept that I'll never know. Thanks.

Kregwill --

Here are the numbers by publication date, so Saturday, Aug. 1, 1964
has the published U.S. Treasury numbers released on Friday, July 31,
1964.  I have 4 weeks and one day (Aug. 1) worth of numbers below;
we've checked them pretty carefully but will outline a couple of
low-cost or no-cost options for you below should you wish to check
other numbers on the Treasury Statement.  If any of the numbers
appears incorrect, don't hesitate to ask about them in a Clarification
Request.  We've kept printouts of all of these statements and can
double-check them quickly!

We'll use some abbreviations for the 4 entries for every day:

TOTDEP/M: Total deposits, month to-date
TOTDEP/FY: Total deposits, fiscal year
NETDEP/M: Net deposits, month to-date
NETDEP/FY: Net deposits, fiscal year

Currently the fiscal year for the federal government starts on Oct. 1
but in 1964 the fiscal year started July 1:

SATURDAY, AUG. 1
TOTDEP/M: $4,449,014,779
TOTDEP/FY: $4,449,014,779
NETDEP/M: $4,259,904,840
NETDEP/FY: $4,259,904,840

TUESDAY, AUG. 4
TOTDEP/M: $4,586,583,002
TOTDEP/FY: $4,586,583,002
NETDEP/M: $4,396,205,272
NETDEP/FY: $4,396,205,272

AUG. 5
TOTDEP/M: $4,877,683,039
TOTDEP/FY: $4,877,683,039
NETDEP/M: $4,676,928,082
NETDEP/FY: $4,676,928,082

AUG. 6
TOTDEP/M: $5,065,910,302
TOTDEP/FY: $5,065,910,302
NETDEP/M: $4,857,530,601
NETDEP/FY: $4,857,530,601

AUG. 7
TOTDEP/M: $200,130,341
TOTDEP/FY: $5,226,040,644
NETDEP/M: $194,099,224
NETDEP/FY: $5,051,629,825

AUG. 8
TOTDEP/M: $346,460,396
TOTDEP/FY: $5,412,370,698
NETDEP/M: $340,429,278
NETDEP/FY: $5,197,959,879

TUESDAY, AUG. 11
TOTDEP/M: $845,846,881
TOTDEP/FY: $5,911,757,183
NETDEP/M: $827,591,758
NETDEP/FY: $5,685,122,359

AUG. 12
TOTDEP/M: $1,270,948,188
TOTDEP/FY: $6,336,858,490
NETDEP/M: $1,250,477,867
NETDEP/FY: $6,108,008,468

AUG. 13
TOTDEP/M: $1,918,728,421
TOTDEP/FY: $6,984,638,723
NETDEP/M: $1,894,991,064
NETDEP/FY: $6,752,521,665

AUG. 14
TOTDEP/M: $2,776,468,154
TOTDEP/FY: $7,842,378,456
NETDEP/M: $2,711,634,754
NETDEP/FY: $7,569,165,355

AUG. 15
TOTDEP/M: $3,178,927,356
TOTDEP/FY: $8,244,837,658
NETDEP/M: $3,092,228,369
NETDEP/FY: $7,949,758,970

TUESDAY, AUG. 18
TOTDEP/M: $3,598,069,152
TOTDEP/FY: $8,663,979,454
NETDEP/M: $3,510,815,238
NETDEP/FY: $8,368,345,839

AUG. 19
TOTDEP/M: $4,019,837,397
TOTDEP/FY: $9,085,787,610
NETDEP/M: $3,997,661,063
NETDEP/FY: $8,770,521,849

AUG. 20
TOTDEP/M: $4,472,278,062
TOTDEP/FY: $9,538,188,364
NETDEP/M: $4,363,051,790
NETDEP/FY: $9,220,582,391

AUG. 21
TOTDEP/M: $5,113,464,595
TOTDEP/FY: $10,179,374,897
NETDEP/M: $4,981,174,765
NETDEP/FY: $9,838,705,366

AUG. 22
TOTDEP/M: $5,911,774,177
TOTDEP/FY: $10,977,686,479
NETDEP/M: $5,762,018,613
NETDEP/FY: $10,619,549,214

TUESDAY, AUG. 25
TOTDEP/M: $6,377,691,042
TOTDEP/FY: $11,443,601,344
NETDEP/M: $6,221,557,959
NETDEP/FY: $11,079,088,560

AUG. 26
TOTDEP/M: $7,142,364,009
TOTDEP/FY: $12,208,274,311
NETDEP/M: $6,981,621,221
NETDEP/FY: $11,839,151,823

AUG. 27
TOTDEP/M: $8,017,705,734
TOTDEP/FY: $13,083,616,036
NETDEP/M: $7,843,199,920
NETDEP/FY: $12,700,730,522

AUG. 28
TOTDEP/M: $9,302,675,391
TOTDEP/FY: $14,368,585,693
NETDEP/M: $9,121,542,416
NETDEP/FY: $13,979,073,017

AUG. 29
TOTDEP/M: $10,171,150,907
TOTDEP/FY: $15,237,061,209
NETDEP/M: $9,976,127,214
NETDEP/FY: $14,833,657,815



Google search strategy:
I used Proquest Historical Newspapers, which has an online search
capability for the New York Times back to 1851, searching for:
Treasury Statement

Proquest is a fee-based service, but many public libraries provide
access to it at no charge.  Also, recently the New York Times has been
offering access to its database of articles directly:
The New York Times
Archive Search
http://query.nytimes.com/search/advanced

Best regards,

Omnivorous-GA

I feel sure that the number was 369, which came in the net deposits on
the tenth day, which would make it just right for my recollection of
how long I had bet.  Thanks again, oh Omni one.