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How do dry erase inks and surfaces work?
Category: Science > Chemistry Asked by: curiousguy2003-ga List Price: $20.00 |
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18 Dec 2003 17:47 PST
Expires: 17 Jan 2004 17:47 PST Question ID: 288538 |
How do dry erase inks and surfaces work? I am looking for a scientific explanation of how dry erase markers work. I need to answer questions like 1. Why do they work on some surfaces and not others?" 2. What are the characterisitcs of the surface that make it work? 3. What are the characteristics of the inks that make it work? My current understanding is that it has something to do with surface tension but I do not really understand beyond that. I want names of chemicals, substrates, and a technical explanation for why they work together well. I would like to know different materials that will work and why also different inks that will work and why. |
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Re: How do dry erase inks and surfaces work?
From: mother911-ga on 18 Dec 2003 21:03 PST |
I started to answer this question, and realized I have no prrof to bhack up my statements. I can answer the three questions, and I will here. Perhaps someone else can provide more substantial backing to assist. |
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Re: How do dry erase inks and surfaces work?
From: mother911-ga on 18 Dec 2003 21:15 PST |
I hate when I hit enter before i'm finished...LOL anyway...back to the comment. Question : 1. Why do they work on some surfaces and not others?" Dry Erase markers are designed specifically to dry quickly on non porous materials so that they don't sink into the material. A normal magic marker ink soaks into the surface and becomes permanant based on depth of penetration. Dry Erase is designed to dry faster and therefor not penetrate. Using non porous surfaces makes it impossible to penetrate and easy to clean. 2. What are the characterisitcs of the surface that make it work? The surface as mentioned in answer 1 must be non porous, otherwise it will penetrate prior to drying. Items like cloth, silly example but obvious. Dry erase markers make horrible stains on cloth because they are able to penetrate into the cloth and dry immediately. 3. What are the characteristics of the inks that make it work? The ink has chemicals added to it which evaporate rapidly, leaving only dried ink on the surface. This works especially well on non porous materials such as glass. Chemicals like ketones and benzynes are generally used for this purpose based on their evaporation rate. As a link to the chemical compounds used in the inks, please see: Silverchips Online Newspaper Montgomery Blair High Schools Online Newspaper. Markers To Be Replaced November 1998 by Michelle Clive http://silverchips.mbhs.edu/silverchips/nov98/news/markers.html "Chemistry teacher Tran Pham performed a chemical analysis on the Expo brand marker fluid and the solvent used for erasing wipes and found that they primarily contained chemicals in the ketone and benzyne groups." "Pham found that the Expo solvent contained toluene and benzyne, which he said are "priority pollutants classified by the EPA."" Search Engine Used: GOOGLE.COM of course Keywords:dry erase markers toluene Mother911-ga p.s. Toluene is used in making paints, paint thinners, fingernail polish, and lacquers. It is a by product of gasoline production from crude oil. |
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Re: How do dry erase inks and surfaces work?
From: curiousguy2003-ga on 18 Dec 2003 22:00 PST |
I appreciate the attempt, but as you stated I do need some evidence to back it up, also I am not convinced this answer is correct, let me explain. In the first response "1. Why do they work on some surfaces and not others?" Dry Erase markers are designed specifically to dry quickly on non porous materials so that they don't sink into the material. My Comment There are several non-porus surfaces that do not work as dry erase surfaces. Two examples I tried in my own experiments are the glass from the monitor of my computer and a clear polyester container from the grocery store that held a salad. In both cases the ink smeared and left a sticky residue when "wipped off" "The surface as mentioned in answer 1 must be non porous," My Comment See above "What are the characteristics of the inks that make it work? The ink has chemicals added to it which evaporate rapidly, leaving only dried ink on the surface. This works especially well on non porous materials such as glass. Chemicals like ketones and benzynes are generally used for this purpose based on their evaporation rate." This makes some sense, possibly why the markers smell funny and dry out quickly, however I need some more concretes. Can you add an evaoporative chemical to any kind of ink? Also I noticed on the Sanford EXPO markers it conforms to ASTM D-4236. I didn't search on this but I am assuming it is an standard for hazardous chemicals to be non-toxic. Also on the marker it says "For use on most dry erase surfaces". My question is "why most" what is the scientific explanation for why it is working and why it wouldn't work other places? One other clue I found is on the EXPO it says "Recap and keep horizontal when not in use". I wonder why you need to keep it horizontal, maybe this has something to do with the evaporation? I really need more of the technical details of how it works answered. |
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Re: How do dry erase inks and surfaces work?
From: mother911-ga on 18 Dec 2003 22:28 PST |
Hi Curiosguy2003, more thoughts: "Two examples I tried in my own experiments are the glass from the monitor of my computer and a clear polyester container from the grocery store that held a salad. In both cases the ink smeared and left a sticky residue when "wipped off"" I think the sticky residue is actually the dried ink. I wish it was easier to sift through the hundreds of results for dry erase marker sales on the web to get more info, you've got my mind spinning on this one. "Can you add an evaoporative chemical to any kind of ink?" I would imagine the answer is no. If you could, we would have a more diverse dry-erase market. "Also I noticed on the Sanford EXPO markers it conforms to ASTM D-4236. I didn't search on this but I am assuming it is an standard for hazardous chemicals to be non-toxic." In the article from the Silverchips.NBHS.com website, it mentions that: "Pham explained that the markers can be labeled non-toxic because they do not have a high enough concentration of chemicals to affect a person's health immediately." "Recap and keep horizontal when not in use". Re-capping keeps the ink from drying out in the pen capsule, storing it horizontally prevents pooling of the ink which in most cases is stored by soaking a porous material in ink. If it stood on end, the ink would theoretically pool at the bottom of the pen rendering it useless. Mother911 |
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