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Subject: Printers: size matters
Category: Computers > Hardware
Asked by: mccook-ga
List Price: $5.00
Posted: 27 Dec 2003 18:59 PST
Expires: 26 Jan 2004 18:59 PST
Question ID: 290782
Relative to a question I asked a little while ago: I need a printer
for a new Mac. All it really has to do is print black and white text.
Is there anything reliable out there in the inkjet world of Canon,
Epson or HP with a footprint of not much more than 14" by 6"?

Request for Question Clarification by aht-ga on 27 Dec 2003 20:56 PST
mccook-ga:

For a printer that has a footprint of about 14" by 6", you will first
want to look at the category called mobile printers.

Examples of such printers include:

Canon i70
http://www.usa.canon.com/html/conCprProductDetail.jsp?modelid=8720&item=8759&section=10215

Canon BJC-85
http://www.usa.canon.com/html/conCprProductDetail.jsp?modelid=6620&item=6630&section=10215

HP Deskjet 450ci
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ho/WF06b/18972-236251-236267-14438-236267-81913-81915-81916.html

Epson does not appear to have a current model that matches your
maximum dimensions criteria.

Of the units listed above, though, all of them exceed the $150 price
threshold that you mentioned in your previous printer question, "Best
basic printer" ( http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=286161
). For example, the Canon's go for around $250US, the HP between $200
to $250. There are often rebates that come up, but they are still
substantially more than $150.

As for reliability, the BJC-85 has been around longer than the i70,
and has mixed performance reviews:

http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/Canon_BJC_85/4505-3156_16-1589521.html?tag=dir

The i70 is new for 2003, and therefore has less of a track record.
Those users who have bothered to post their views love it, but to a
person they all feel that this is an extreme expensive printer to
operate:

http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/Canon_i70/4505-3156_16-20864283.html?tag=pdtl-list

The HP Deskjet 450ci is also relatively new, and also has mixed reviews:

http://www.epinions.com/content_83135401604

Generally, the problem with printers of such a small footprint is that
the manufacturer ends up making compromises in order to keep the size
down. This ends up affecting the reliability of the printer. For
people looking for portability, this trade-off of reliability for size
may be acceptable; however, for you, this is probably a trade-off that
you can live without.

Canon also offers two budget inkjets that are a little bigger than
your footprint requirements. The i250 and i350 bubblejet printers have
a footprint of 15.2" x 6.5". At a street price of under $60US, these
are the ones I would suggest you pick from:

Canon i250
http://www.usa.canon.com/html/conCprProductDetail.jsp?modelid=9208&section=10213

Canon i350
http://www.usa.canon.com/html/conCprProductDetail.jsp?modelid=9209&section=10213

You can find reviews of these printers at:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1355889,00.asp

http://www.tomshardware.com/consumer/20030725/

Generally, the i350 appears to be worth the approx. $10 US extra in
street pricing over the i250. Both at Mac OS 9.x and OS X compatible.

Is this information in line with what you are looking for? If so,
please let me know and I will post it as the Answer. If not, please
clarify what else you need, and I can supply it with the above
information as the Answer.

Regards,

aht-ga
Google Answers Researcher

Clarification of Question by mccook-ga on 29 Dec 2003 05:53 PST
aht-ga: Thanks for the very helpful response. Do you know the
difference between the Canon BJC inkjet series and the S inkjet
series? Based on your counsel, I've narrowed it down to two machines
-- the BJC 300 and the S 300. Both cost the same pretty much the same
wherever I look, but I can't find anything that tells me the two
differ. If you can help me with this, please post with your previous
advice as an answer.

McCook-ga

Request for Question Clarification by aht-ga on 29 Dec 2003 09:12 PST
mccook-ga:

Can you please tell me which region (North America, Europe, Asia,
Australia/NZ) you are in, and where you have seen these two units
(BJC-300, S 300) for sale?

I ask this because the S-300 is a 2001 model, and has been
discontinued by Canon. As for the BJC-300, there is no record of such
a printer in Canon's archives. There is a record of a BJ-300 (no 'C'),
which was one of their last black-ink-only bubblejets before the tide
shifted and color became the craze. There is also a BJC-3000, which
again is a discontinued model but which features color.

I will post an Answer based on the information I provided previously,
and including an answer to your follow-up question comparing the S-300
and the BJC-3000; I'm assuming that it must be the 3000, as you
probably would have noticed the absence of the color printing
capability. If this is not the printer, just let me know and I'll
clarify the Answer.

Regards,

aht-ga
Google Answers Researcher
Answer  
Subject: Re: Printers: size matters
Answered By: aht-ga on 29 Dec 2003 09:32 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
mccook-ga:

Thank you for your question regarding a small footprint inkjet printer
for your Mac.

First, to provide the guidance you seek in choosing a printer, I am
copying here the information I provided in the clarification section
above:
-----------------------------------

For a printer that has a footprint of about 14" by 6", you will first
want to look at the category called mobile printers.

Examples of such printers include:

Canon i70
http://www.usa.canon.com/html/conCprProductDetail.jsp?modelid=8720&item=8759&section=10215

Canon BJC-85
http://www.usa.canon.com/html/conCprProductDetail.jsp?modelid=6620&item=6630&section=10215

HP Deskjet 450ci
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ho/WF06b/18972-236251-236267-14438-236267-81913-81915-81916.html

Epson does not appear to have a current model that matches your
maximum dimensions criteria.

Of the units listed above, though, all of them exceed the $150 price
threshold that you mentioned in your previous printer question, "Best
basic printer" ( http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=286161
). For example, the Canon's go for around $250US, the HP between $200
to $250. There are often rebates that come up, but they are still
substantially more than $150.

As for reliability, the BJC-85 has been around longer than the i70,
and has mixed performance reviews:

http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/Canon_BJC_85/4505-3156_16-1589521.html?tag=dir

The i70 is new for 2003, and therefore has less of a track record.
Those users who have bothered to post their views love it, but to a
person they all feel that this is an extreme expensive printer to
operate:

http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/Canon_i70/4505-3156_16-20864283.html?tag=pdtl-list

The HP Deskjet 450ci is also relatively new, and also has mixed reviews:

http://www.epinions.com/content_83135401604

Generally, the problem with printers of such a small footprint is that
the manufacturer ends up making compromises in order to keep the size
down. This ends up affecting the reliability of the printer. For
people looking for portability, this trade-off of reliability for size
may be acceptable; however, for you, this is probably a trade-off that
you can live without.

Canon also offers two budget inkjets that are a little bigger than
your footprint requirements. The i250 and i350 bubblejet printers have
a footprint of 15.2" x 6.5". At a street price of under $60US, these
are the ones I would suggest you pick from:

Canon i250
http://www.usa.canon.com/html/conCprProductDetail.jsp?modelid=9208&section=10213

Canon i350
http://www.usa.canon.com/html/conCprProductDetail.jsp?modelid=9209&section=10213

You can find reviews of these printers at:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1355889,00.asp

http://www.tomshardware.com/consumer/20030725/

Generally, the i350 appears to be worth the approx. $10 US extra in
street pricing over the i250. Both at Mac OS 9.x and OS X compatible.

-----------------------------------

Next, to address your follow-up question:

The Canon S series bubblejet printers were introduced in 2001 as
Canon's 'budget' line to compete against some of the cut-throat
pricing being offered by Lexmark and Epson at the time. The S series
featured some innovations that were unique for its time, the primary
one being the introduction of a non-replaceable printhead and
individual ink tanks for each of the four ink colors used. As the
budget line, the S series was also designed to be simpler to build,
however build quality was comparable to the BJC series of the time.

The Canon BJC series of Bubble Jet Color printers (hence the
designation) was Canon's only line of consumer inkjet printers up
until the introduction of the S series. Innovations introduced with
the BJC-3000 included the first appearance of ink tanks; in the case
of the BJC-3000, it was possible to buy a replacement print cartridge
that gave the ability to replace each ink tank individually, and to
replace the print cartridge (and it's printhead) when the printhead
wore out. Since that time, pricing trends in the inkjet market have
changed the industry into a close approximation of the original
disposable razor market; give away the razor/printer, make a killing
on replacement razor blades/ink. So, it is no longer worthwhile for
most consumers to bother with replacing the printhead when it wears
out, it is cheaper to just get a whole new printer! (There are even
cases where it is cheaper to get a whole new printer when the ink runs
out, too).

The important point to note here is that both the S-300 and the
BJC-3000 pale in comparison to the new i350 for ease of use, level of
manufacturer support, and Mac OS compatibility. The only thing that
the BJC-3000 has that the other two do not have is a parallel port;
all of them have USB support. If you are looking for OS X support,
then forget about the BJC-3000.

Finally, in case it wasn't already obvious that I'm recommending the
i350 ( :-) ), the price of a new i350 with full manufacturer's
warranty is comparable to the prices I am seeing on some online
retailers for an older S series printer.
 
------------------------------------


I hope this helps, please let me know if you would like any clarification.


Regards,

aht-ga
Google Answers Researcher
mccook-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $5.00
Sold! I'll buy the i350. Your research was thorough and persuasive.
For the record, I got the information about the BJC and S 300s from
Epinions this morning when I typed in "Canon s 300". Just pulled up
the page again by hitting my history folder. But tonight, when I type
it in afresh, it tells me there's no such thing. I don't know what
time warpe I passed through, but it doesn't matter. I'm going with the
printer you recommended.

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