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Request for Question Clarification by leader-ga on 06 Jan 2004 16:58 PST

Hello:

I did quite a bit of research on this issue. Apparently, the answer
doesn?t look that easy. I have located a couple of very useful
resources and I counted around thirty Dukes in 1920. I am not sure,
how many total dukes were there. Although, I am very sure that I have
the entire list of prominent one?s.

Let me know, what you will consider an appropriate answer. In the mean
time, I will try my best to come up with exact figures.

Sincerely.
Leader-ga.

Hi there, 

I used Wikipedia to check the current Dukes and whether they existed in 1920:
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dukes_in_order_of_precedence

I then checked it against a list of all the dukedoms that have been created:
http://www.hulthenhem.se/peer/marduk.htm

...and did a few searches like [extinct dukedom] to make sure there
weren't any that the above sites missed.

I count a total of 26, if instances like "The Duke of Richmond, Lennox
and Gordon" counts as one. If it counts as three, then the total is
31. You can also add an extra one to either total if you want to
include duchesses as well.


Dukes of England
----------------
The Duke of Norfolk 
The Duke of Somerset 
The Duke of Richmond, Lennox and Gordon 
The Duke of Grafton 
The Duke of Beaufort 
The Duke of St Albans 
The Duke of Bedford 
The Duke of Devonshire 
The Duke of Marlborough 
The Duke of Rutland 
The Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay


Dukes of Scotland
-----------------
The Duke of Hamilton and Brandon 
The Duke of Buccleuch and Queensberry 
The Duke of Argyll 
The Duke of Atholl 
The Duke of Montrose 
The Duke of Roxburghe 


Dukes of Great Britain
---------------------
The Duke of Manchester 
The Duke of Northumberland 


Dukes of Ireland prior to 1801
----------------------------
The Duke of Leinster 


Dukes of the United Kingdom and of Ireland after 1801
----------------------------------------------------
The Duke of Wellington 
The Duke of Sutherland 
The Duke of Abercorn 
The Duke of Westminster 
The Duke of York*


Dukes of 1920 that no longer exist
---------------------------------
The Duke of Connaught and Stathearn
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Arthur%2C_Duke_of_Connaught




The following did not exist in 1920:


Current Dukes that did not exist in 1920
--------------------------------------
The Duke of Fife**
The Duke of Edinburgh***
The Duke of Gloucester****
The Duke of Kent*****


Dukedoms that never made it to 1920
------------------------------------
The Duke of Sussex
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Sussex
The Dukedoms of Albany, Brunswick and Cumberland were removed in 1919
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titles_Deprivation_Act
The Duke of Clarence and Avondale
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Clarence
The Duke of Cambridge
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Cambridge




*The Duke of York had its tenth creation during 1920:
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_York

**The Duke of Fife was a Duchess in 1920
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Fife

***The Duke of Edinburgh was most recently created in 1947, and the
previous Duke died in 1900.
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Edinburgh

****The fifth creation ended in 1834 and the sixth creation began in 1928
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Gloucester

*****The second creation ended in 1820, and the current one began in 1934
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Kent






More info about British Dukes is available at Wikipedia:
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke



Best wishes,
robertskelton-ga
(who finally gets to answer one of your questions!)

Hi, Robert

Decidedly BRILLIANT with a lot of extra goodies thrown in. Very many thanks.

Sorry, Leader, that I didn't catch up with your RQC ... I do have to
eat and sleep occasionally ...

Warmest regards to you both

Bryan

Bryan,

You missed a good opportunity for a bad joke here. If I'd posted this
question, rather than entitling it "List all the Dukes in Britain in
1920," I would have gone with "Put up your Dukes."

~Pink (who never makes a childish pun, but waits till it's full groan)

Bryan,
Here are some more for you:
Duke of Portland
"Caithness County Council agreed unanimously to accept the custody of
the Memorial presented by The Duke of Portland on 11th October 1920
together with the ground on which it stands at their Meeting held at
Wick on 30th October 1920"
http://www.caithness.org/atoz/berriedale/berriedalememorial/
Current Duke:
http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/Contents/book/UK/FHP/Peerage/fhp-PORTLAND.asp

Duke of Newcastle-under-Lyme 
"Henry Pelham Archibald Douglas Pelham-Clinton, 7th Duke of Newcastle (1864-1928)" 
http://www.4reference.net/encyclopedias/wikipedia/Duke_of_Newcastle.html
http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/newcastle.html


DUKE OF SAINT ALBANS
"The 9th duke was succeeded by his son by a second marriage, William
Amelius Aubrey de Vere (1840?1898), whose son, Charles Victor Albert
Aubrey de Vere, became the 11th holder of the title"
http://tudorean.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/albans.htm
http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/st_albans.html
Current Duke
http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/Contents/book/UK/FHP/Peerage/fhp-SAINTALBANS.asp

answerfinder-ga

Well the good news is that this is becoming a list that nobody else
has bothered to create. Here's another Duke:

11th Duke of Leeds (1901-1963)

Lady Camilla Dempster, née Osborne (daughter of John Francis Godolphin
Osborne, 11th Duke of Leeds (1901-1963) and of his second wife, née
Audrey Williams) was divorced from her husband, the columnist Nigel
Dempster, on 28 October.
http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/2002_3.html

One Dukedom lasted for just one year:

"Henry de Beauchamp (1439-46), had grown up as a companion to the boy
King Henry VI. In 1445, the king made his childhood friend the first
Duke of Warwick. But he was also the last, the title dying with him in
the very next year."
http://www.warwick-castle.co.uk/castle/castle_history.asp

Many thanks to all for the various comments.

I shall be posting a supplementary shortly.

Bryan

How many Dukes in Great Britain at any one time?
http://laura.chinet.com/html/titles02.html

Here are two more Dukes:

Duke of New Castle
Henry Pelham Archibald Douglas Pelham-Clinton, 7th Duke of Newcastle (1864-1928)

1- http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Duke-of-Newcastle

Duke of Brabant
Leopold III of Belgium (1909-1934)

1- http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Duke-of-Brabant

Interesting Fact: 

Duke of Connaught
Prince Arthur, 1st Duke of Connaught (1850-1942)
Bio: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Prince-Arthur,-Duke-of-Connaught
This title was no longer recognized by the Royal family after 1922
although Prince Arthur and than Alastair Arthur Windsor lay claim to
the title until 1942. Both of them died in the same year.

Duke of York
King George VI (Albert Frederick Arthur George), (1895-1952)

He was made Duke of York in 1920 when his brother George V was forced
to abdicate. For more info, please see
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/George-VI

Duke of Edinburgh
No male heir was present in 1920 but the title was passed to the Duke
of Albany to retain until the new heir. The duke was portrayed as a
traitor in 1919 and the title again lay vacant.

1- http://fotw.unislabs.com/flags/de-sg%5Ed.html

Duke of Albany

Title abandoned in 1919. The name of the 2nd Duke of Albany "was
removed from the roll of Peers of Great Britain and of Ireland by
Order of the King in Council, 28 March 1919" for bearing arms against
the United Kingdom in World War I. At that time, the title was held by
Prince Charles Edward.

Hi, Leader

Very many thanks for your Comment.

I am rather dubious about the Duke of Brabant which sounds non-British
and distinctly Belgian to me.

George VI was certainly the former Duke of York but it was his brother
Edward VIII who abdicated in his favour in December 1936.

George V, who fathered both George VI and Edward VIII, actually lived
until Jan 1936.

1936 is a historic year because Britain had three kings.

Which proves that we should not always believe on-line sources.

Many thanks anyway.

In addition, the Prince of Wales in 1920, Prince Edward, was also Duke
of Cornwall and Duke of Rothesay. (He went on to become King Edward
VIII in 1936, abdicated, and ended his career as Duke of Windsor.)

Well done, Amber00, Many thanks.

Bryan

Some further details (mentioning, however, not only Dukes; and
including several foreign Dukes):

http://www.regiments.org/milhist/biography/royals/peerages.htm

Regards,
Freddy

Fascinating link, Freddy.

Many thanks.

I don't know how you find them!