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Subject: English to Latin translations needed of short offensive athletic phrases
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Books and Literature
Asked by: kpierce-ga
List Price: $10.00

Posted: 08 Jan 2004 12:21 PST
Expires: 07 Feb 2004 12:21 PST
Question ID: 294476

This is for lettering around the border of a picture frame for a
friend, a big U.S.C. football fan.

I need the following translated to Latin: 
(where "F___" = a word that rhymes with "Duck")

F___ the Golden Bears
F___ the Beavers
F___ the Bruins
F___ the Cardinal
F___ the Cougars
F___ the Huskies
F___ the Ducks
F___ the Sun Devils
F___ the Irish
F___ the Wildcats
F___ the Hokies (alternates - F___ the Turkeys / Stuff the Turkeys)
F___ the Rams
F___ the Rainbow Wahine (alternate - F___ the Rainbows)
F___ the Tigers
Fight On!

Request for Question Clarification by pinkfreud-ga on 08 Jan 2004 13:50 PST

I suggest that you consider repricing your question, or reducing its
scope considerably. At your current price, a Researcher who prepares
your answer will receive $1.50 for his or her labors. While there are
several Latin scholars on the Google Answers team, I sincerely doubt
that any of them will be interested in undertaking to translate
fourteen phrases from Latin for a dollar fifty.

Clarification of Question by kpierce-ga on 09 Jan 2004 08:52 PST

While it's true that I can "futuite" this and "futuite" that, I would
still have to determine the accusative (I think) of these various and
sundry school mascots, and in one case, a color (F___ the Cardinal)

2 semesters of high school Latin... out the window.   

My (memory) loss can become your gain.
The price is now $10

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Subject: Re: English to Latin translations needed of short offensive athletic phrases
Answered By: hlabadie-ga on 09 Jan 2004 14:58 PST
Rated: 2 out of 5 stars

Golden Bears - ursos aureos the Beavers - castores the Bruins - ursos (common brown bear) the Cardinal<s> - cardinales the Cougars - leones <montium> the Huskies - robustos the Ducks - anates the Sun Devils - daemones/diabolos solis the Irish - hibernicos the Wildcats - feles <feroces> the Hokies (alternates - F___ the Turkeys / Stuff the Turkeys) - helluones (gobblers) the Rams - arietes the Rainbow Wahine (alternate - F___ the Rainbows) - bellatores arcus - bellatrices arcus (female warriors) <feminas> the Tigers - tigres Fight On! - pugnate Perseus Search for dictionary headwords Charlton T. Lewis, Charles Short, A Latin Dictionary http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/resolveform?lang=la ursus, ursi http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%2349926 aureus, a, um http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%234548 castor, castoris http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/enggreek?lang=la&lookup=beaver&type=begin&options=Sort+Results+Alphabetically&.submit=Do+Search cardinalis, cardinalis http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%236777 leo, leonis http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%2326266 mons, montis http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%2329605 robustus, a, um http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%2341828 anas, anatis http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/enggreek?lang=la&lookup=duck&type=begin&options=Sort+Results+Alphabetically&.submit=Do+Search daemon, daemonis http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%2312270 diabolus, diaboli http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%2313673 sol, solis http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%2344584 hibernicus, a, um http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?lookup=Caes.+Gal.+5.13.1 felis, felis http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?layout.reflookup=feles&layout.refembed=2&doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%2317877&layout.reflang=la&layout.refwordcount=4 ferox, ferocis http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%2317972 helluo, helluonis http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=la&lookup=helluo&bytepos=0&wordcount=1&embed=2 aries, arietis http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%233622 bellator, bellatoris (used as a substantive) bellatrix, bellatricis http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%235115 femina, feminae feminus, a, um http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%2317911 arcus, arcus http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%233486 tigris, tigris http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%2348343 futuor, futuere http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%2319174 pugno, pugnare http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3D%2339478 What Is A Hokie? http://www.unirel.vt.edu/vthistory/hokie-explained.html SEARCH TERMS Lewis and Short Latin Dictionary hlabadie-ga
Request for Answer Clarification by kpierce-ga on 10 Jan 2004 12:04 PST This is a bit helpful, but I'm looking for the phrases. What I mean is that the nouns have to have the right tense, otherwise the phrases will come across as he Latin equivalent of broken English. It's true that no one may ever try to understand these phrases - they're meant to be a stealthy addition to a one-of-a-kind gift, but if someone does care to translate them, I want them to be correct. Most of my high school Latin has gone out the window, but what I do remember is that the noun changes to an accusative when something is being done "to it". The nouns you?ve provided are in, I believe, the nominative tense. So, though you've provided nominative singular and nominative plural, I think I need mostly accusative plural versions of these nouns. Additionally, because the phrases are in the form of commands or admonitions (not even complete sentences), there are probably other subtleties to their proper formation. For all the above reasons I sought help in the translation of the complete phrases, as opposed to just looking up the words and piecing them together myself.
Clarification of Answer by hlabadie-ga on 10 Jan 2004 12:41 PST I'm sorry that you found the Answer unsatisfactory, although unjustifiably. First, nouns do not have tenses, but rather declensions of inflected endings. Verbs have tenses (not to mention moods, persons, etc.). Second, The nouns and their agreeing adjectives in the Answer have the correct inflectional endings -- they are all accusative plural, the case and number required by the imperative and the context, a team being more than one person. You no doubt have forgotten the endings, and have, therefore, incorrectly complained that the Answers are in the nominative. (In some instances, the nominative and the accusative are identical, but you probably have forgotten that, too. In almost all instances, the vocative and nominative are identical, by the way.) Take, for example, ursus, ursi. The inflections for the masculine second declension noun are: Singular ursus - nominative ursi - genitive urso - dative ursum - accusative urso -ablative ursus - vocative Plural ursi - nominative (identical to the genitive, you will notice) ursorum - genitive ursis - dative ursos - accusative ursis - ablative ursi - vocative Castor, a third declension noun, on the other hand, has both nominative and accusative with identical endings. castor castoris castori castorem castore castores castorum castribus castores castoribus If you had used the Perseus site, you could have checked the inflections by consulting the Morphological Tool, which analyzes forms and identifies the case and number of a word. It would seem a bit too much to expect that the Answer itself would contain a complete tutorial on all the Latin declensions. As for the objection that there are "other subtleties," I am puzzled. The imperative is simple, "Do this." "Futuite castores" is all that there is. As you mentioned some familiarity with Latin, however fleeting and distant, and which you reinforced by your comment that you could ""futuite" this and "futuite" that," I assumed that it would be no trouble at all to put the verb, uniform in all instances, with the supplied nouns and adjectives. Again, I'm sorry that you found the Answer inadequate, even if through an innocent misunderstanding. Also by the way, it is generally considered good form to rate an Answer after asking for Clarification, rather than to presuppose that a Clarification will not improve the Answer or explain some misunderstanding. hlabadie-ga
Clarification of Answer by hlabadie-ga on 10 Jan 2004 14:11 PST Using the Morphology Tool http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=la one finds that for "ursos," the tool returns this: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lookup=ursos&.submit=Analyze+Form&lang=la&formentry=1 ursus a bear urs�s masc acc pl hlabadie-ga
Clarification of Answer by hlabadie-ga on 11 Jan 2004 06:41 PST Is there some other point about which you feel uncertain and which requires clarification? hlabadie-ga
Request for Answer Clarification by kpierce-ga on 13 Jan 2004 07:48 PST Okay, I'm assembling the phrases: Which is correct? Futuite Ursos Aureos or Ursos Aureos Futuite Thanks!
Clarification of Answer by hlabadie-ga on 13 Jan 2004 09:17 PST In ordinary declarative sentences, it is normal for verbs to occur at the end. Thus, "The sailor loves the girl," would usually be written "nauta puellam amat," (nauta, nom.s., sailor, puellam, acc.s., girl, amat, 3rd.s. act. ind., loves). There are exceptions, of course, depending upon the context and the auctorial intentions. Word order in Latin can be very flexible. (It isn't immaterial, but flexible.) Imperatives, however, want to impress upon the listener the urgency of the command, and the verb comes first to draw the listener's attention. Thus, "futuite ursos aureos" would be the preferred construction. (There is a form in Latin called the jussive, a use of the subjunctive mood, that parallels the imperative, but it is not really pertinent for this discussion.) hlabadie-ga

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Subject: Re: English to Latin translations needed of short offensive athletic phrases
From: mathtalk-ga on 08 Jan 2004 13:49 PST

Perhaps you would have more success if you asked separately for the
translations of the team/mascot names, substituting an inoffensive
verb like "Praise (the whomever)".  That might reduce your own efforts
to selecting the translation of a single word.

regards, mathtalk-ga

Subject: Re: English to Latin translations needed of short offensive athletic phrases
From: hlabadie-ga on 08 Jan 2004 20:14 PST

futuo, futuere - to have carnal knowledge (Latin for the Anglo-Saxon)
futuite - plural imperative

pugno, pugnare - to fight
pugnate - plural imperative

hlabadie-ga

Subject: Re: English to Latin translations needed of short offensive athletic phrases
From: kpierce-ga on 10 Jan 2004 12:05 PST

I've upped the price to $10 and clarified why simple dictionary work
does not necessarily satisfy the request.

Subject: Sorry about that.
From: kpierce-ga on 11 Jan 2004 07:06 PST

I didn't know that rating the answer would CLOSE the question.  I have
askked Google to reopen the question.  If they reopen I will increase
the rating.  Thanks for clearing things up.

Subject: Re: English to Latin translations needed of short offensive athletic phrases
From: hlabadie-ga on 11 Jan 2004 08:46 PST

Thanks.

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might not have been obvious.

hlabadie-ga

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