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Subject: Piano music
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Music
Asked by: tigger471-ga
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Posted: 09 Jan 2004 09:33 PST
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Question ID: 294773
I want to know whether anyone besides Neville Dickie recorded 'The
Robins Return' before 1950, if so who?

Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 09 Jan 2004 10:29 PST
Dear tigger471,

I currently do not have access to Neville Dickie's recording, so
please let me know whether his version of "The Robin's Return" sound
at least vaguely similar to one of these two:

http://parlorsongs.com/content/r/robrtrn.mid
http://www.whistlingrecords.com/78s/the_robins_return.mp3

If so, please let me know and I will answer this question.

Regards,
Scriptor

Clarification of Question by tigger471-ga on 10 Jan 2004 07:09 PST
Hello Scriptor,
               Thank you for responding so quickly.  Having played
both the links I can say that the first link is like the one I asked
about but with a little more gusto. If it is any help at all, I am
informed by Neville Dickie himself that this piece of piano music goes
back to 1874 and was given to piano students to study because it was
so difficult to master. I had wondered whether the master ( Fats
Waller ) had recorded it.
Kind regards

Tigger471
Answer  
Subject: Re: Piano music
Answered By: scriptor-ga on 10 Jan 2004 09:46 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Dear tigger471,

After extensive research, both online and in the library's music
department, I have found only one recording of "The Robin's Return"
released before 1950. And it is a rather odd record, but I will
explain this after some introducing words.

First, I would like to tell you about these two sound files:

http://parlorsongs.com/content/r/robrtrn.mid
This one is a Midi file made using the score of a piano piece from the
Victorian era, called "The Robin's Return". The composer was Leander
Fisher. The sheet music has already been available for purchase in
1898 - that is the earliest date I could find -, so I assume that
Fisher composed this piece earlier.

http://www.whistlingrecords.com/78s/the_robins_return.mp3
This is an actual recording, made on 24 February 1916. The performer
is whistling artist Charles Gorst, backed by an orchestra. And, though
it may be hard to believe, it is actually Leander Fisher's "The
Robin's Return". The unusual whistling arrangement makes it sound
considerably different from the original piano version. However,
Fisher is explicitly mentioned as composer on the 78rpm record
(released by Victor Records with the catalog number VI 18019 in 1916);
and upon closer listening, one will soon recognize Fisher's
composition.

And this 1916 recording is the only example for "The Robin's Return"
on record before 1950 I could find anywhere. I did not come across any
reference to this song recorded by Fats Waller or any other performer.

I would like to add that Neville Dickie's original 1969 UK hit single
of "The Robin's Return" (released on the Major Minor label, catalog
number MM 644) bears no reference to Leander Fisher as the original
composer; instead, it reads "Trad. arr. Dickie". This might indicate
that Fisher himself did not really compose "The Robin's Return", but
rather arranged an existing piano piece of unclear origin. However, it
might also be possible that Neville Dickie or Major Minor Records
avoided mentioning Leander Fisher for copyright reasons or the like.


Sources:

The Online Guide to Whistling Records: 78rpm Records
http://www.whistlingrecords.com/78s/78s.htm

Parlor Songs: May 1999 Edition - Songs of Spring & May Flowers
http://parlorsongs.com/issues/1999-5/may99feature.asp

The Online 78rpm Discographical Project: Numerical Listing of Victor
78rpm records, 1915-1918
http://settlet.fateback.com/vic18000.html

University of Utah Marriott Library, Manuscripts Division: The Beverly
Brown Glauser Papers
http://www.lib.utah.edu/spc/mss/accn1517/accn1517.html

National Library of Australia: Digital Collections, Music - L. Fisher,
The Robin's Return
http://nla.gov.au/nla.mus-an3698576

45rpm.org.uk: The Robin's Return by Neville Dickie
http://www.45-rpm.org.uk/1969.htm

Darrell Lehman, "78's FS - Day 7" Online posting (24 August 2002).
<78-c> via Yahoo! Groups
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/78-c/message/7234


Search terms used:
"neville dickie" "robin's return"
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"the robin's return"
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"the robin's return" piano
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leander fisher "robins return"
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leander fisher "robin's return"
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"fats waller" "the robin's return"
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"fats waller" "the robins return"
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Victor 18019
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Victor 18020
://www.google.de/search?q=Victor+18020&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=de&meta=


I hope this is useful for you!
Best regards,
Scriptor

Request for Answer Clarification by tigger471-ga on 10 Jan 2004 11:42 PST
Scriptor, you are fantastic, damn fantastic. How you obtain your
answers so quickly and precisely leaves me in awe of you. Many many
thanks. Tigger471

Clarification of Answer by scriptor-ga on 10 Jan 2004 11:51 PST
Dear tigger471,

It was my pleasure.

Regards,
Scriptor
tigger471-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $5.00

Comments  
Subject: Re: Piano music
From: markj-ga on 10 Jan 2004 10:57 PST
 
tigger471  --

I took an interest in your question as well and discovered that there
is almost no online biographical information (including birth and
death dates) about Leander Fisher.  As scriptor-ga correctly reported,
he is credited by publishers in 1898 and 1912 as the composer of a
piano "caprice" called "The Robin's Return."

Apparently, he was a professor of music in Buffalo, NY.  There is one
tantalizing bit of circumstantial evidence that he either composed or
arranged "The Robin's Return" in the mid-1870s, since he is credited
by at least one source as being the composer of a piece called "The
Robin's Departure" in 1875!
Sibley Music Library: E. Maude Wilson Collection (about 2/3 down the page)
http://sibley.esm.rochester.edu:8080/specialc/databases/EMWilson/WilsonFA2.asp

markj-ga
Subject: Re: Piano music
From: tigger471-ga on 10 Jan 2004 11:45 PST
 
Mark-ga, many thanks also for taking a personal interest and for the
extra information, you guy's are really something. Very best wishes,
Tigger471

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