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Subject: IBM Mainframes
Category: Computers > Hardware
Asked by: flin-ga
List Price: $25.00
Posted: 19 Jun 2002 19:55 PDT
Expires: 19 Jul 2002 19:55 PDT
Question ID: 29531
How many IBM (or IBM compatible) mainframe systems are there worldwide by country?

Request for Question Clarification by xemion-ga on 19 Jun 2002 20:16 PDT
Supercomputers or mainframes?  Can you give your definition of
"mainframe" for us?  Thank you!

xemion-ga

Clarification of Question by flin-ga on 20 Jun 2002 06:00 PDT
Hi,
I need to know about IBM mainframes (or compatibles by Hitachi, or
Fujitsu).  These are systems that run the os/390 operating system. 
These may be referred to as "os/390", "s/390", or just "390" systems.
(Any really big or fast computer can be called a supercomputer.)
Thanks
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Subject: Re: IBM Mainframes
Answered By: prof-ga on 27 Jun 2002 15:23 PDT
 
I'm assuming you want general information about mainframes, and
computers that run the OS/390 operating system. Your question is
rather broad, but if that's what you intended, there's a wealth of
information on the web.

The High Tech Dictionary
(http://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/)defines a mainframe
like this:

"...A large and expensive computer with the ability to support
hundreds or thousands of users simultaneously..."

That wasn't very helpful, but the next one was perfect for our needs.
The following definition, which covers the gamut of what I THINK
you're looking for is from TechWeb's Tech Encyclopedia. I've taken the
liberty of duplicating it below because it is so good. It also
specifically references the OS/390.
(http://www.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm?term=mainframe)

"A large computer. In the "ancient" mid-1960s, all computers were
called mainframes, since the term referred to the main CPU cabinet.
Today, it refers to a large computer system.

There are small, medium and large-scale mainframes, handling from a
handful to tens of thousands of online terminals. Large-scale
mainframes support multiple gigabytes of main memory and terabytes of
disk storage. Large mainframes use smaller computers as front end
processors that connect to the communications networks.

The original mainframe vendors were Burroughs, Control Data, GE,
Honeywell, IBM, NCR, RCA and Univac, otherwise known as "IBM and the
Seven Dwarfs." After GE and RCA's computer divisions were absorbed by
Honeywell and Univac respectively, the mainframers were known as "IBM
and the BUNCH."

IBM has the lion's share of the mainframe business, and Hitachi Data
Systems and Amdahl are its major competitors, making
System/390-compatible computers (see IBM-compatible mainframe).
Unisys, Sun and others make mainframe-class machines, but run under
proprietary or UNIX-based operating systems, not IBM's OS/390.

There Is a Difference!
One might wonder why mainframes cost up to several millions of dollars
when their raw megahertz (MHz) or MIPS rates are no higher than a PC
costing 1,000 times less. There are reasons. Firstly, in a small
computer such as a PC, the CPU does almost all the processing. Unless
direct memory transfer (DMA) is used, the CPU is also involved with
getting data to and from the peripherals, the most time-consuming part
of the operation.

A mainframe provides enormous amounts of throughput by offloading its
input/output processing to a peripheral channel, which is a computer
in itself. Mainframes can support hundreds of channels, up to 512 in
some models. Mainframes also have multiple ports into memory and
especially into high-speed caches, which can be 10 times faster than
main memory. Additional computers may act as I/O traffic cops between
the CPU and the channels and handle the processing of exceptions (what
happens if the channel is busy, if it fails, etc.). All these
subsystems handle the transaction overhead, freeing the CPU to do real
"data processing" such as computing balances in customer records and
subtracting amounts from inventories, the purpose of the computer in
the first place.

Secondly, the internal bus transfer rates of mainframes are also
higher than small computers. A 800MHz Pentium has a data bus that runs
at 100MHz, but a 200MHz mainframe may have a data bus that also runs
at 200MHz, twice as fast. The multipliers add up. Twice the bus speed,
10 times the cache speed, perhaps 32 or 64 overlapped data transfers.
Multiply one times the other, and the combination of fast buses, fast
caches, multiple memory ports and independent channels and subsystems
produces a powerful machine.

Thirdly, much of the hardware circuitry in a mainframe is designed to
detect and correct errors. Every subsystem is continuously monitored
for potential failure, in some cases even triggering a list of parts
to be replaced at the next scheduled maintenance. As a result,
mainframes are incredibly reliable. The mean time between failure
(MTBF) is generally 20 years!

In addition, mainframes are highly scalable. Based on symmetric
multiprocessing (SMP), mainframes can be expanded by adding CPUs to a
system or by adding systems in clusters.

They're Here to Stay
Once upon a time, mainframes meant "complicated" and required the most
programming and operations expertise. That is no longer. Networks of
client/server-based PCs make mainframes look easy. Nothing is more
complicated than the Windows environment. Add NetWare, throw in a
little UNIX for good measure, and you have enterprise computing at its
most complex ever.

With more than two trillion dollars worth of mainframe applications in
place, mainframes are here to stay, and their centralized
architecture, which is the easiest to manage, may just be the wave of
the future!"

Now lets assume you want information about the OS/360 in particular.

For starters, check out http://www.qrx.de/. This is an incredible site
that has a comprehensive textbook on OS/390 as well links to
additional sites. You can even download a copy of the operating system
for your personal use. Most of the information on this site is
available in English although there are certain parts available in
German only.

The following link is the IBM official web page on OS/390:

http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/s390/os390/

This is a great site for general information. Part of the copy reads:
"The OS/390 operating system includes and integrates functions
previously provided by many IBM software products." Some of the
information links from this page include:

 e-business 
 OS/390 overview (summaries, specs, ref guides, and more) 
 Parallel sysplex 
 z/OS and OS/390 security 
 S/390 software usage pricing 
 z/OS and OS/390 calendar of events

Datatrain (http://www.datatrain.net/) has training courses on os/390
you and your programmers can sign up for and take online.

Another great resource is http://search390.com. This is a OS/390
portal that also provides training and an "ask-a-tech" resource. This
looks like a one-stop resource based a quick review. If you'll click
on "best web links" at the top, you'll be taken to a long list of text
resources, background, and resources on OS/390.

A review by Gartner Company on the latest v2, r8 is available at
http://techupdate.cnet.com/enterprise/0-6133429-723-3894999.html?tag=st.jp.6133429-720-3894999.fr.6133429-723-3894999-1641505

(If you have a problem with this link go to zdnet.com and do a search
on OS/390. You may have to paste the entire link into your browser)
This article provides an analysis of the current platform, a list of
its strengths and limitations, and some interesting conclusions.

To be totally frank, I could be totally off base since your question
was rather broad. If that's the case just give me some clarification
and I'll go back to work!

http://www.qrx.de/
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/s390/os390/
http://www.datatrain.net/
http://search390.techtarget.com/
http://techupdate.cnet.com/enterprise/0-6133429-723-3894999.html?tag=st.jp.6133429-720-3894999.fr.6133429-723-3894999-1641505
http://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/
http://www.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm?term=mainframe

Clarification of Answer by prof-ga on 27 Jun 2002 15:31 PDT
Well I just noticed that your original request was to find out the
number of mainframe systems worldwide. Of course it is going to be
difficult to get an exact number, but I should be able to come up with
some additional stats. I'll get back to work and should have something
posted in the next 12 hours.

Clarification of Answer by prof-ga on 28 Jun 2002 09:18 PDT
The number of mainframe systems in use worldwide is really turning out
to be a toughy. I've called several numbers as IBM locally and main
office and no one seems to know, although they profess that they'd be
glad to tell me if they knew. I also checked other research services
and they were unable to help me.

I was directed to www.research.ibm.com which really is a good site. It
covers all the research papers written by or for IBM and its products.
Do a search on "390" and you'll get hundreds of research papers. I
read a number of them, thinking I'd get a clue to sales, but no luck
so far.

IBM has a listing of all of their offices and partners for each
country at http://www.ibm.com/planetwide/. This looks like a pretty
comprehensive list, and calling some might produce some information.

I've got calls in to several acquaintances and hopefully they'll turn
up something for us. I should have something back in the next 24 hours
if, assuming I get some response.

I apologize for not fully understanding your original question.

Clarification of Answer by prof-ga on 28 Jun 2002 10:20 PDT
The answer to your question can be found in Harte-Hanks Marketing
Database - www.hartehanks.com (or
http://www7.harte-hanks.com/cgi-bin/inetcgi/hh/default.jsp).

There is a charge to access this database. Complete information is on
the site.

From my research, this is the only source for answering your question.

Let me know if I can help further!

Request for Answer Clarification by flin-ga on 28 Jun 2002 12:30 PDT
I appreciate all of the hard work that has been done here but despite
the extensive research no one has come back with any numbers.
I already know what a mainframe is, and that they are here to stay
etc, etc, etc.
In the meantime I found a total count for IBM mainframes from the
following site: http://www.developer.ibm.com/welcome/s390/index.html
The total number of mainframes worldwide is 38,000+.  
What I am looking for is a breakdown by country.
If someone can get me the number of IBM mainframes in the UK that
would be good enough for my purposes.
BTW, I couldn't find anything on the Harte-Hanks website either for
free or for a price.

Clarification of Answer by prof-ga on 28 Jun 2002 13:19 PDT
Okay, knowing which country you need does help a great deal. I think I
can get that information, although it may take me until Monday if I
run into problems with business hours.

Clarification of Answer by prof-ga on 02 Jul 2002 06:24 PDT
Flin,

I want you to know I haven't forgoten you! I sent an email to IBM - UK
asking for the number of installed mainframes in the UK. On Monday
they wrote me back asking why I wanted this information. That's a good
sign, since they obviously have access to it.

I wrote them back and am awaiting a response. If you have a valid
reason that you think might fly, please let me know. If you'd prefer
to contact them directly, their email address and email are copied
below:

From riikkakoivu@uk.ibm.com:

Dear Sir/Madam

I refer to your email dated 28th June 2002 regarding IBM mainframes.

Thank you for contacting IBM.COM Service Centre with your enquiry.

We appreciate you taking the time to write us with your enquiry,
unfortunately your email did not contain enough information for our
representatives to determine the appropriate area of support within
IBM.

Please resend your email with additional information such as what do
you need this information for, so that we may assist you accordingly.

Request for Answer Clarification by flin-ga on 02 Jul 2002 10:49 PDT
I have emailed my request for information to the address that you gave
me for a contact at IBM in the UK.
I had already emailed another address at IBM UK but they just blew me
off.  I'll let you know if I get any information.

Clarification of Answer by prof-ga on 02 Jul 2002 11:37 PDT
Great. Just let me know what you find out.

Prof

Clarification of Answer by prof-ga on 12 Aug 2002 15:46 PDT
Flin,

I understand your concern about this question. And I'd be more than
happy to put more research time into this project. Do you have any
additional leads or do you just want me to dig in. :)

Prof
Comments  
Subject: Re: IBM Mainframes
From: sansill-ga on 19 Jun 2002 21:33 PDT
 
I found an organization for professionals that has a detailed report
for 50 countries from 1990 through to (projected) 2007 of "computers
in use worldwide" (as opposed to PC's in use, which is also
available). It is however, expensive -- $1250.00. Let me know if  this
is something you are interested in.
Subject: Re: IBM Mainframes
From: twstdgoo-ga on 20 Jun 2002 04:25 PDT
 
Here are a few helpful articles, definitions and links.

The most concise answer:
The chief difference between a supercomputer and a mainframe is that a
supercomputer channels all its power into executing a few programs as
fast as possible, whereas a mainframe uses its power to execute many
programs concurrently.
From: http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/S/supercomputer.html

A more 'business oriented' answer:
Mainframe is an industry term for a large computer, typically
manufactured by a large company such as IBM for the commercial
applications of Fortune 1000 businesses and other large-scale
computing purposes. Historically, a mainframe is associated with
centralized rather than distributed computing. Today, IBM refers to
its larger processors as large servers and emphasizes that they can be
used to serve distributed users and smaller servers in a computing
network.
From: http://search390.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid10_gci212516,00.html

And a pretty interesting article, which I will not include here for
consideration to space can be found here:
http://www.mainframes.com/whatis.htm

Hope this helps,
TwstdGoo
Subject: Re: IBM Mainframes
From: flin-ga on 20 Jun 2002 06:08 PDT
 
I specifically need to know about IBM (and compatible) mainframe
installations (a.k.a. os/390).  $1250 is a lot to pay for a report on
computers in general that may not adequately cover mainframes.
Are reports of these kinds available in libraries?

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