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Subject: Roads and towns in Europe 400 years ago
Category: Reference, Education and News > Teaching and Research
Asked by: 1458-ga
List Price: $100.00
Posted: 14 Jan 2004 10:56 PST
Expires: 30 Jan 2004 13:45 PST
Question ID: 296431
General background:

	Currently, I am writing an extensively-footnoted biography of an
Elizabeth-King James English Catholic who lived from approximately
1574 to 1617.  During his lifetime my subject travelled and presumably
left tracks upon European records, possibly noted in several
languages, if such records do exist.  Much is known about Francis
Tregian the Younger?s  life in England, little about his years on the
continent.  He was a quiet person who left few traces, seemingly not
even letters.  Yet he left a great collection of contemporary music
compiled during his lifetime.

	I here turn therefore to the internet for help in advancing his story
during more than twenty years of his life, first to his travels from
Rome, through Basel - perhaps other Swiss towns as well - on his way
to Brussels, Amsterdam, and later possibly to Spain, 1584-1611.

	Some writings may exist in Catholic School records and government,
city, business, and personal accounts by those who may have touched
his life in locations specified above ? church and government leaders,
composers of music, military men, even producers and manufacturers of
paper and writing supplies ? if such records exist and by now have
been transferred to the internet, references possibly written in
French, Latin, German, Flemish, Dutch, or Spanish.  (No one
GAResearcher need be fluent in all those languages, but some may be
proficient in one or two, when and IF we finally do get to them.)

	Here is my first Google Answers question about a then young man ?
four hundred years ago! ? who came from a Cornish family, was educated
from age eight forward in  Catholic schools in France, was trained in
music, was known for eloquence, worked in Rome as a chamberlain for an
English cardinal, and around 1595 travelled from Rome through Basel to
Brussels, and in 1606 returned to England to reaquire confiscated
family property, only to be imprisoned where his father and mother had
spent so much of their own lives.  (The foregoing is for the
Researcher?s orientation, process, and judgement.)

	MY QUESTION:

	During the years 1594, 95, and 1596, what existing roads at that time
and the cities found  along them (particularly including BASEL, where
writing supplies probably were purchased), seem most attractive to the
likely interests of Francis Tregian (i.e., his interest in the
availability of music ? keyboard, madrigals, church music,
friendliness toward Catholics, safety, conditions of the roads
themselves)?  I am looking for the most likely route and the towns
mostly enjoyed by travellers during those years and some word about
road condition if mentioned and recorded; I am NOT expecting the
Researcher to research all of these details, simply to note details as
they may be available and if your judgement so inclines.  (I will do
SUBSEQUENT research.)

I DO EXPECT, however, careful footnoting all references accessed. 
(This is my initial and trial question posed to ?Google Answers.?  I
will be interested in the answers and any offered thoughts.)

For such information, personal judgement as the Researcher determines,
and fine source referencing: $100. plus my thanks for all of the good
work done.

Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 14 Jan 2004 12:08 PST
This is a fascinating task. I would like to tackle it, but first I'd
like to ask how soon you need an answer. I would do offline research
in libraries, and that is rather time-consuming.
Also, it would be helpful if you don't need the answer very soon,
because in case I don't find enough material, another Researcher with
access to better sources could take over if still enough time is left.

Regards,
Scriptor

Clarification of Question by 1458-ga on 14 Jan 2004 20:24 PST
Dear Scriptor,

Thank you for being interested in my question!  I would be happy to
have an answer, comments, and source referencing by Sunday, January
18, if that would give you enough time.  Would this be possible?  When
you answer, please tell me what I should do with my question ? leave
it posted, withdraw it, what?  I am new at this.  Please do tell me.

I will check my site tomorrow morning.  Good night!

1458-ga

Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 15 Jan 2004 05:54 PST
Dear 1458,

I will start doing research right now. It's a tight schedule, but I
will try to find enough information and to write an answer in that
time.
After your question has been answered, and provided you like it, you
have two options: Rating and tipping. Both are, of course, not
mandatory. You can also simply leave the answer as it is. Please
follow this link to learn more:
http://answers.google.com/answers/faq.html#ratequestion

Just one brief addition: In case you would like to rate an answer,
please note that one star stands for an extremely poor answer, while
five stars mean full satisfaction.

Should I not find enogh material for writing an acceptable answer
within the next 24 hours, I will leave a note here so my colleagues
will know and can take over.

Best regards,
Scriptor

Clarification of Question by 1458-ga on 15 Jan 2004 10:47 PST
Dear Scriptor,

Thank you for your response.  What you propose - doing some work
within 24 hours to see what is possible, deciding, and then either
proceeding or leaving the question open to others ? seems very
reasonable.  I hope you will continue with me.  (Your many high marks
for other questions you've worked on lead me to think that you are the
Researcher for me!)  Don't worry too much about the Sunday "deadline."
 I pulled that day out of the air.

No need to respond to this message, unless you advise that I do
something to temporarily withdraw my question to give you adequate
time for researching and detailed crediting.  As I indicated earlier,
I am new to all of this.  Hearing nothing from you, I will leave my
question posted as is.

My continuing thanks!

1458-ga

Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 16 Jan 2004 11:20 PST
Dear 1458,

I am, alas, very disappointed with the sources I could find during
several hours of searchin in the library. The information I got was
simply not sophisticated enough for writing an adequate answer. I have
already notified my colleagues that this question is open again for
them to work on. To support their efforts, and for you as free basic
information, here is what I assume concerning Francis Tregian route
from Rome to Brussels.

The most probable travel route would have, without any doubt, followed
the important trade roads. The term "road" is a bit misleading because
in the late 16th century, European traffic routes were far from what
we call roads today. I am quite sure that Francis Tregian would have
chosen a route that touched as many residencies of local princes as
possible, since such places were centers of the emerging baroque
culture, including the art of music. The role of urban patrician
traders as patrons of the arts was in decline by that time. So this is
what I regard a logical possible route:

I. From Rome to Basel
- Rome
- Siena
- Florence (residency of the Grand Duke of Tuscany)
- Parma
- Milan (residency of the Spanish governor of Lombardy)
- Como
- St. Gotthard Pass (Alps)
- Basel (cultural center of Switzerland then)

Alternative route:
- Milan
- Aosta
- Grand St. Bernhard Pass (Alps)
- Freiburg
- Bern
- Basel

II. From Basel to Brussels
- staying on the western side of the Rhine
- Colmar
- Straßburg
- Speyer (residency of the Bishop of Speyer, but under religious unrest)
- Worms (Free Imperial City and residency of the Bishop of Worms)
- Mainz (residency of the Prince-Elector and Archbishop of Mainz)
- Köln [Cologne] (Free Imperial City)
- Maastricht
- Diest
- Mechelen
- Brussels

During almost the entire 16th century, the Spanish were fighting
against the rebellious Dutch. Since 1589, the frontline was located
along the Maas river and the mouth of the Rhine. This was quite far
away from the route proposed above, but a cautious traveller may have
preferred a road even more far away from the zones of combat. So here
is an alternative route:
- Straßburg
- Luxemburg
- Dinant
- Namur
- Brussels


I hope that one of my colleagues will get access to better source
material than I could find. Your fascinating question deserves an
appropriate answer.

Very best regards,
Scriptor

Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 17 Jan 2004 15:09 PST
Dear 1458,

It's good to know that my research has not been futile. In case you
would like to reward me, as you mentioned in your comment, I suggest
that you open a new question with a purely symbolic content, for an
amount you consider adequate. "Regular" tipping is possible for
answered questions only. If you decide to open a "reward question" for
me - which would be very generous indeed -, give it the subject "For
Scriptor-ga only". My colleagues will respect this and not touch it.
Since you asked for it: I spent about five and a half hours in the library. 

The same goes for future questions you would like to be answered by
me. Simply put "for Scriptor-ga" in the subject line. In case I can't
answer such questions, I will let my colleagues know that it is open
to them.

If you would like to communicate with me, please use the
"clarification" feature of this or future questions. Researchers don't
get notified of "comments", but they do get notifications if a
"clarification" or a "request for clarification" is posted by a
customer.

I would feel honored by your assignments. European history is one of
my main fields of expertise, so if I can be of any help to you, I'll
do my very best.

Best regards,
Scriptor

Clarification of Question by 1458-ga on 18 Jan 2004 19:56 PST
Dear Scriptor,

I tried to write to you yesterday, but apparently I did something
wrong, for no copy of it appeared in my Google Answers clarification
list of (my) comments.  Perhaps I addressed it incorrectly.

I posed a "new question" to you, saying that I would like to pay you
$50.00 in thanks for your 5+ hours in the library and for your
thoughtful reply.  My question to you was, as I recall, was:  "Is this
sufficient, realizing I must stand ready to honor my $100.00
commitment for whoever supplies me with a complete answer to my
initial question involving exact crediting of sources?"  That was, as
you suggested, sent "For Scriptor-ga only" as my formal question to
you for your answer?

Please do answer however you can.  I will continue to check my
"Answers" website.  (I am sorry to be so clutsy within this program.) 
Here is my telephone number if you care to call.  I would love to talk
with you if that is permitted.

Again, my appreciation ?

1458-ga
Answer  
There is no answer at this time.

Comments  
Subject: Re: Roads and towns in Europe 400 years ago
From: fp-ga on 14 Jan 2004 14:29 PST
 
You've probably seen the Swiss film on Francis Tregian. But just in
case you didn't:

http://www.famafilm.ch/detail.cfm?pg_id=5&id=77

http://www.swissfilms.ch/detail_f.asp?PNr=309
Subject: Re: Roads and towns in Europe 400 years ago
From: morgenlandfahrer-ga on 14 Jan 2004 21:58 PST
 
Fascinating Question - Fascinating Character

...and there is two books on him:

http://www.grainger.de/music/composers/tregian.html
Subject: Re: Roads and towns in Europe 400 years ago
From: fp-ga on 16 Jan 2004 13:56 PST
 
A German translation of one of the two books (Le trajet d'une riviere,
by Anne Cuneo) mentioned in the previous comment was published in
1998:

http://www.limmatverlag.ch/cuneo/cunefluss.htm

By the way, Anne Cuneo directed the film mentioned in the first comment.
Subject: Re: Roads and towns in Europe 400 years ago
From: 1458-ga on 17 Jan 2004 14:25 PST
 
Dear Scriptor,

I certainly thank you for the work you did.  You obviously understood
my need, judging from the nature of your attempt to supply a full
answer to my question.  You were very generous.  I certainly do want
to tip you at least for the work you did, if that is possible within
this program.  I will try to find out how to do that, but knowing how
much time you spent in researching my question would help me calculate
a proper amount.  Please tell me by writing.  Apparently that is how
we are supposed to communicate within this program.

Somehow I hope it is possible for us to do more work together.  Is
there any way within the program for the two of us to stay in touch?

I hope you will read this; I will continue to check my Answer site for
your response.

My thanks and my best wishes to you!

1458-ga

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