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Subject: Lord Decies the Fifth (1866-1944)
Category: Relationships and Society > Politics
Asked by: probonopublico-ga
List Price: $5.00
Posted: 21 Jan 2004 07:50 PST
Expires: 24 Jan 2004 23:05 PST
Question ID: 298721
I've got Who's Who, Debretts & Burkes which are all predictably boring.

And I certainly don't want to know about his wife's cats. (Sorry, Pinkfreud)

What I would like to know is what he got up to politically in
1923-1924, both in London and Dublin.

And was he a Die-Hard Conservative. Or what?

Many thanks.

Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 21 Jan 2004 09:42 PST
I am wondering who's looking at this Question ...

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 21 Jan 2004 11:10 PST
Hello pbp,

As usual, the NY Times has some interesting leads, but I'm afraid for
five bucks, I can't afford to go accessing the articles myself.  You
might want to have a look at some or all of these, however, as they
mention Lord Decies in some fashion or another:

3 GOULD CHILDREN IN COURT DISPUTE
New York Times (1857-Current file); Dec 19, 1924 
[I believe Lady D was a Gould]

England Needs Only 2,600 To Complete Olympic Quota
New York Times (1857-Current file); Apr 20, 1924


HEIRS WAR OVER THE GOULD MILLIONS
New York Times (1857-Current file); Dec 23, 1923


DAIL EIREANN MEETS FOR LAST TIME AS SUCH
Copyright, 1922, by The New York Times Company. By Wireless to THE NEW
YORK TIMES.; New York Times (1857-Current file); Dec 5, 1922


Income Tax Keeps Englishmen Shabby, Lord Decies Tells Tailors' Convention
Copyright, 1922, by The New York Times Company. Special Cable to THE
NEW YORK TIMES.; New York Times (1857-Current file); Sep 14, 1922

==========

And the LA Times also offers an interesting political tidbit, but I'm
sure you'll want something more in-depth:

Decies and Yates in Irish Dail
LA TImes 12/6/1922

"The list of Senators nominated by William Cosgrave, president of the
Dail Eireann, includes W.B Yeats, a poet, Lord Decies, Earl of
Dunrave, Earl of Wicklow, Lord Glenavy and George Russell...

The article does not add much about Decies beyond that brief mention.  

Good luck.

paf

Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 21 Jan 2004 12:12 PST
Hi, Paf

Many thanks for the insights, some of which look promising. I'm not
interested in the family stuff, just the political.

Please give me a price for pursuing the various leads and, if it's
affordable, I'll sort something out.

Kindest regards

Bryan

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 22 Jan 2004 12:16 PST
Hey Bryan,

Pulling up the articles that may be of interest to you isn't all that
costly (about a buck or two per article), but -- since copyright
prohibits me from posting the articles themselves -- I then have to
screen them, read them, summarize them, and pretty much guess at which
info would be of the most interest to you.

Why not just go to the NY Times site on your own and do some fishing
around.  For someone with your inveterate curiousity about matters
historical, I would think this would be a must-have site on your
bookmark list.

If you need any instructions as to how to access their archives, just let me know.

Ta-Ta and Cheerio.

paf

Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 22 Jan 2004 12:25 PST
Hi, Paf

Many thanks for your suggestion.

I will pick up on it on Sunday, too busy until then.

Kindest regards

Bryan

Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 24 Jan 2004 23:05 PST
Hi, Everybody ...

I've now got it sorted.

Many thanks

Bryan
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Subject: Re: Lord Decies the Fifth (1866-1944)
From: answerfinder-ga on 21 Jan 2004 09:53 PST
 
Dear probonopublico-ga,
Bryan,
No answer to your question, but here?s some more background.

Country Life report on Leixlip Estate.
"Leixlip was little changed until after 1914, when it passed into the
hands of government censor, the 5th Lord Decies."
http://www.countrylife.co.uk/living/gardened/leixlip1.php

Sefton Park Estate.
"In 1905 the 4th Lord Decies lived here followed by his brother the
5th Baron who completely rebuilt the South Wing as shown in the
Photograph."
http://www.stoke-poges.com/HTML/hertbuild.htm

Photograph of the subject. 
"HRH The Duke of Connaught, Commander of the Forces in Ireland
1900-1904, and Military Staff.
Capt. Hon John Graham Hope de la Poer Beresford, 7th Hussars, A.D.C.
to the Duke of Connaught, later 5th Baron Decies (1866-1944); uniform
(?)"
Queen Victoria Jubilee medal; British South Africa Company's Medal 1890-1897
http://www.lafayette.150m.com/con5354.html


Painting of Lady Decies 
("Bessie" nee Elizabeth Drexel )
"In 1931 Elizabeth was presented at Court to King George V and Queen
Mary in London. Five years later she married as her second husband
John Graham Hope de la Poer Beresford, Fifth Baron Decies. His first
wife had been Helen Vivien Gould, daughter of Elizabeth?s New York
friends George Jay and Edith Kingdon Gould. Decies and Helen had
married in 1911, and she had died in 1931. In 1937, as Lady Decies,
Elizabeth attended the Coronation of King George VI and Queen
Elizabeth at Westminster Abbey, and it with a lovely description of
the Coronation pageantry that she ends her second book, Turn of the
World."
http://www.jssgallery.org/Other_Artists/Boldini_Giovanni/LadyDecies.htm


South Irish Horse - London Gazette extracts
"Page 4929 21st May 1917
SPECIAL RESERVE OF OFFICERS. RESERVE UNITS. CAVALRY. South Irish Horse: -
Lt-Col JGH Lord DECIES DSO relinquishes his commission. And is granted
permission to retain his rank and wear the prescribed uniform. 22nd
May 1917."
http://southirishhorse.com/documents/gazette1917.htm

answerfinder-ga
Subject: Re: Lord Decies the Fifth (1866-1944)
From: probonopublico-ga on 21 Jan 2004 10:26 PST
 
Hi, Answerfinder

Many thanks for taking a look and supplying some goodies.

I posted my RFC simply to see if it was possible to make such a post
on a locked question ... and, Surprise, Surprise, it is possible.

Bryan

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