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Subject: Private/Business Jets in UK and Europe
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: skydancer69-ga
List Price: $100.00
Posted: 24 Jan 2004 06:36 PST
Expires: 23 Feb 2004 06:36 PST
Question ID: 299671
I am a pilot looking for work. As I am only licenced to fly AMERICAN
registered aircraft I need to find the following details related to
AMERICAN REGISTERED (those on USA FAA register only) Private/Business
JETS that are PRIMARILY BASED AND OPERATED IN THE UK AND EUROPE.

So that I may approach prospective employers I need to know the
following in respect of all identified aircraft: Make, registration,
where based in UK or Europe, and contact name and details (tel or
address) of either pilot, owner or operator.

For price I expect at least 100 identified aircraft and appropriate
details. Please email me if needs clarification.

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 24 Jan 2004 12:11 PST
Skydancer,

I've been pouring through the FAA database.  From a first look, there
seem to be quite a number of prop planes -- but very few jets -- that
are registered wth the FAA, but have a principally European address.

I want to make sure I'm interpreting the lingo the right way, though. 
The FAA data classifies its aircraft engines as follows:

1--reciprocating
2--turbo-prop
3--turbo-shaft
4--turbo jet
5--turbine air generator
6--ramjet

While there are many European-based aircraft with a #1 code, I've only
found a single aircraft in the entire FAA database that is based in
Europe and has a #4 code!  There were no #5's or #6's that I saw.

Please confirm for me that the type of aircraft of interest to you is
primarily the #4 turbojets, and also let me know any other codes that
are on the mark as far as your interests go.

Thanks.

Clarification of Question by skydancer69-ga on 25 Jan 2004 04:03 PST
Thanks for getting back. Yes, it is Turbo Jet Aircraft types (#4) that
I am interested in. The source you have found sounds very interesting,
and while I appreciate that there are likely to be more #1's based in
UK and Europe, I am surprised that you have only found one #4 because
I know of at least 35 in the UK alone personally, and know there are
many more than that in the rest of Europe.

If you are able to get me EXACTLY the information I want I will be
happy to pay more, and as you seem to have found a promising source
may I make a suggestion? Why not send me the details I am looking for
on the only #4 you have found and I will tell you if it contains the
information I really need. If it does I will be happy to increase my
price for more of the same. Many thanks.

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 25 Jan 2004 12:57 PST
Hello skydancer,

Thanks for getting back to me.  Hopefully, by working together a bit,
we can figure out why my database is showing so few US-registered jets
in the UK and elsewhere in Europe.

If you could give me some information on one or two of the jets you
know about in the UK -- N-number or serial number or operating company
name, for instance -- I can then search the database to see if they
exist in my records.

In the mean time, like I've said, I've only found very few listed jets
in Europe.  One of the records looks like this:


FAA Resitration Number:  N525AL 

Serial Number    525-0011              
Type Registration    Corporation 
Manufacturer Name  CESSNA   
Certificate Issue Date  11/19/2003  
Model  525   
Status  Valid  
Type Aircraft  Fixed Wing Multi-Engine  
Type Engine  Turbo-Jet  
Pending Number Change  None   
Dealer  No  
Date Change Authorized  None   
Mode S Code  51515614  
MFR Year  1993   
Fractional Owner  NO 

Registered Owner:

Name     JETCO HOLDINGS INC TRUSTEE  
Street  GRANARY HOUSE THE GRANGE  
  ST PETER PORT  
City  GUERNSEY  
State None   
Zip Code    GY1 2-QQ  
County  None  
Country  UNITED KINGDOM  

Airworthiness:

Engine Manufacturer   WILLIAMS    
Classification Standard  
Engine Model   FJ 44 SERIES    
Category Normal  
          
A/W Date 05/07/1993

Other Owner Names:  None

Temporary Certificate:

Certificate Number     T035909            
Issue Date  11/19/2003            
Expiration Date  12/19/2003  


Fuel Modifications:  None

  

===============

I can't tell you what all the entries mean, but perhaps to a skydancer
such as yourself, you'll already be familiar with all the terms.

Let me know how you think we should proceed.

pafalafa-ga

Clarification of Question by skydancer69-ga on 26 Jan 2004 05:50 PST
Thanks for getting back. The info you got so far is from the FAA
register which is where I started. Problem is this. To own an US
registered airplane you HAVE to be either a US citizen or US company.
To get round this people outside the US get their airplanes registered
in the name of a US TRUST, and there are companies that specialise in
setting this up for people outside the US.

Where you have found registered owners outside the USA are owners who
are either US citizens living outside the US (mainly #1 type, small
airplanes) or otherwise US TRUST COMPANIES with addresses outside USA.

Example: N-991RV is a jet I used to fly owned by a man living in
Ireland. Because he is not American he used a company to set up a
Trust company. Look it up and you will see it is EI Aviation Trustees
(or similar) which gives no indication of who either the operator,
owner or pilot of the airplane is. The address given is that of the
company who set up the trustee arrangement.

I think you are gonna have to look for this stuff another way....let
me know if you have any other ideas as I will be glad to help you earn
the money I am prepared to pay for the CORRECT info. Best regards,
Skydancer

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 26 Jan 2004 05:56 PST
Thanks.  That helps clarify what's going on with the data, and the
(apparent) paucity of European-registered jets.

I'll keep looking, and let you know when/if I turn up anything that looks promising.
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