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Subject: Digital Camera: Digital Zoom vs. Optical zoom. Quality
Category: Science > Technology
Asked by: chrisdelz-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 25 Jan 2004 18:08 PST
Expires: 24 Feb 2004 18:08 PST
Question ID: 300158
For a digital camera: I am looking at Canon SD10

My question relates to what I can expect from the quality of a digital
zoom only camera.

Here is my criteria:

A: I travel a lot, and want the smallest camera possible. (e.g Canon
Powershot SD10)

B:  95% of the time, the only thing I do is post pictures on my web
site.  While I only need low resolution 800 x 600/ 1024 x 768 I want
excellent quality at these resolutions.   I rarely print, but if I
need to I would like decent quality.

C:  I do zoom a lot, nothing telephoto.  I want to get peoples faces
better, zoom on a 2nd story of a building, etc.  It is very important
to me to be able to do my normal zooming without noticeable
degradation in quality of picture.

In the past I have used a S330, with a 3x optical zoom and have been
happy.  Quality is important to me.

Here is what I would like from an answer:

To my satisfaction, based on above criteria:  Can I use the cannon
SD10 which is a 4 mega pixel camera with no optical zoom? (digital
only)

If the answer is no, any recommendations would be appreciated.  

Again compact size, and quality at low to average resolutions w/zoom
is what I am interested in.


Thanks,

Chris
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Subject: Re: Digital Camera: Digital Zoom vs. Optical zoom. Quality
Answered By: crabcakes-ga on 25 Jan 2004 22:11 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hello chrisdelz,

The answer to your question:
 ?Here is what I would like from an answer: To my satisfaction, based
on above criteria:  Can I use the cannon SD10 which is a 4 mega pixel
camera with no optical zoom? (digital only)
is  ?NO?

Here?s why:

When you were a kid, did you ever write on an un-inflated  balloon
with a ball point pen? If you did, let?s suppose you made the letter
?O?.  The ?O? is made of a measurable amount of ink on the balloon. If
you were then to inflate the balloon, the ?O? would be larger, but it
would not be as sharp as the original ?O?. You have enlarged the
letter, but not increased the amount of ink.

Simply put. this is what happens when you use digital zoom. With
digital zoom, your camera enlarges the pixels in the image, resulting
in a loss of resolution, similar to the ?O? on the balloon. It?s true
that some software and some cameras can interpolate extra pixels, in
an effort to improve the image. But interpolated images lose detail,
and don?t compare to images using optical zoom.

Optical zoom, on the other hand has more pixels to begin with. Optical
zoom allows an image to be enlarged to 8x10, 11x14 and larger,
depending on the camera?s megapixel size.

Digital Camera Buying Guide does a good job of clarifying my ?balloon? explanation:
http://www.digital-camera-buying-guide.com/digital_camera_pixels_resolution.php

Photoxels says ?For our purpose, digital zoom is not really zoom, in
the strictest definition of the term. What digital zoom does is
enlarge a portion of the image, thus 'simulating' optical zoom. In
other words, the camera crops a portion of the image and then enlarges
it back to size. In so doing, you lose image quality. If you've been
regularly using digital zoom and wondered why your pictures did not
look that great, now you know.? And ?Optical vs. digital zoom? There
is no contest. Only optical zoom matters when selecting a digital
camera.?
http://www.photoxels.com/article_zoom.html



This About site echoes my feeling to a tee: ?If your digital camera
offers a digital zoom option, go get your camera right now and turn
this option off! Don't use it... ever!?
http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/digitalimaging/f/digitalzoom.htm

The Digital Camera Buying Guide concurs:?Optical zoom is what you
should be looking at as digital zoom is basically just a marketing
trick.?
http://www.digital-camera-buying-guide.com/best_digital_cameras.php


A few years ago, I made what I considered a large investment ($750, a
bargain price from an obscure site I found) to buy an Epson 850Z Photo
PC camera. It has only 2.1 megapixels, and 3x optical zoom. I have
never seen photos from any digital camera that equals the resolution
and clarity of this camera.  Sadly Epson no longer makes these well-
designed and excellent quality cameras. I use mine several times a
week, and almost feel it is an appendage of mine! What makes this
camera so good are the lenses! Low end cameras may have lots of
megapixels and zoom, but if the lens of poor quality, you will get
poor quality prints.

This site pertains to Video cameras, but it emphasizes my opinion of
digital zoom. Scroll down the page to the paragraph below the hot pink
text, just above the middle of the page. (Internet Video magazine)
http://www.internetvideomag.com/articles2002/zoomwars.htm






Camera Recommendations:

Here are three cameras with over 3 megapixels and good optical zoom
lenses. I would prefer one of the first two. Even though the Olympus
has 3.2 megapixels, it has a great lens. The HP 850 has a nice
?chunky? feel, which is important to some. (My Epson is similar in
shape and size, and it fits nicely in your hand, allowing a steady
grasp for less ?shake? in the picture). Sony cameras use a proprietary
memory stick- works fine, but disallows memory sharing between
cameras. If you have more than one camera, having a compact flash size
that all share is very handy! For this reason, I have left Sony?s out
for this question.



Olympus C-730 Ultra Zoom
3.2 megapixels, 10x Optical zoom, just slightly more expensive than
the Canon you asked about. This Olympus can produce photos even larger
than 8X10. Plus, Olympus is known for its quality lenses (They also
make microscopes!) This is the smallest of this quality camera on the
market, per this web site:

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2002_reviews/c730uz.html
More information:
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/olympus/c730uz-review/



HP 850 4.1 megapixels, 8x optical zoom, produces photos as large as
20x30. Weighs 0.85 pounds.  $300-$500
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2002_reviews/hp850.html
More specifications:
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ho/WF06b/15179-64213-64342-12117-f30-75970-75972-75973.html


Nikon Coolpix 4300 
4.0 megapixels, 3x optical zoom, Hexanon zoom lens. Around $400
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2002_reviews/nikon4300.html
More information:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/CP4300/C43A.HTM

Steve?s Digicam is a great digital camera review source.

4 megapixel cameras
http://www.steves-digicams.com/cameras_dig4.html

3 megapixel cameras
http://www.steves-digicams.com/cameras_dig3.html

Sample Photos from various cameras:
http://www.steves-digicams.com/closeups.html

A good  ?pixel/resolution chart:
http://www.digital-camera-buying-guide.com/digital_camera_pixels_resolution.php

A bit about resolution:
http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/digitalimaging/qt/camerares.htm

A series of pictures taken with digital zoom:
http://www.cplab.com/digital_zoom_sample.htm

A comparison of digital vs. optical zoom in pictures:
http://catcode.com/comments/kbpics.html



To summarize, chrisdelz,

 A: I travel a lot, and want the smallest camera possible. (e.g Canon
Powershot SD10)

The Olympus C-730 is the smallest of the good quality cameras I found,
weighing only 11.1 ounces. The Canon Powershot SD10 IS smaller, at 3.5
ounces however. For quality, I would opt for the extra 7.6 ounces.


B:  95% of the time, the only thing I do is post pictures on my web
site.  While I only need low resolution 800 x 600/ 1024 x 768 I want
excellent quality at these resolutions.   I rarely print, but if I
need to I would like decent quality.
 
You will NOT get excellent photo prints with the Canon Powershot, nor
any camera at low resolution.  What is good enough for the web, is
considered very poor for printing. 72DPI is all that is needed for web
publishing. You can use the lower resolution setting for your web
pictures, on any of the recommended cameras above. You can also do
what I do, and what I recommend: I use the highest resolution camera
setting for all my pictures. Using photo-editing software such as
Paint Shop Pro and/or JASC Photo Album, the image can easily be
optimized for the web.

 By doing this, you preserve the original high resolution image for
possible printing later. Make a copy to optimize for the web, and you
have the best of both worlds. Software like JASC Photo Album will
allow batch photo optimization, saving a great deal of time. Photo
Album retails for about $28 for the downloadable version , and Paint
Shop Pro sells for under $80 for the download version. Both can be
downloaded for a free 30 day trial version at   www.jasc.com .

C:  I do zoom a lot, nothing telephoto.  I want to get peoples faces
better, zoom on a 2nd story of a building, etc.  It is very important
to me to be able to do my normal zooming without noticeable
degradation in quality of picture.

Using an optical zoom, you will be able to zoom as much as the camera
you chose allows, with NO degredation of the image. Using digital zoom
will cause visible degredation of the image. These cameras also have
"Macro" modes which allow good closeup shots.


Again compact size, and quality at low to average resolutions w/zoom
is what I am interested in.

The above cameras are compact in size, have plenty of optical zoom
power and will produce quality prints. Using the lower resolution
setting for web photos, and the highest settings for photo printing is
one way to  solve your dilemma. The second way is using the software I
described above.

I hope this information makes your decision easier! If any part of my
answer is unclear, please request an Answer Clarification, before
rating. This will allow me to assist you further, if possible.

Regards,
crabcakes-ga

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Request for Answer Clarification by chrisdelz-ga on 26 Jan 2004 04:17 PST
Hi crabcakes-ga,

Thanks for your answer!  It was very detailed. I appreciate that.  I
am 100% satisified with your description of why I should not use
digital zoom.

In regards to camera recommendations, I would appreciate any thought
to cameras that are smaller as I stated in my question.  I work in
Kazakhstan, often when I travel, I can bring no, or a tiny amount of
luggage. So while the cameras you mentioned I'm sure are great, they
are much bigger then something I can bring.

Thanks,

Chris

Clarification of Answer by crabcakes-ga on 26 Jan 2004 06:38 PST
Hi again chrisdelz,

I will look for smaller cameras! You may not get as good a quality
image however. I did not realize it was international travel, when you
said you traveled a lot. Since there are weight restrictions on
international travle far greater than domestic flights, I can see how
important this is.

I also apologize if you see boxes for punctuation in your answer.
There is apparently some glitch in the formatting from my text to
Google Answer's Text!

I'll post as soon as I come up with a suitable group of cameras!

Regards,
crabcakes-ga

Clarification of Answer by crabcakes-ga on 26 Jan 2004 16:45 PST
Hi again chrisdelz,

The reason the Canon you had mentioned in your question is so light is
because it does not have a zoom lens. Adding this feature, a  critical
element for good prints, will add to the weight. Still, any camera you
can find under 10 ounces is considered very light. After all, a can of
Campbell?s Chicken Noodle soup weighs 10 ½ ounces, not including the
weight of the can, and it is very light!

I found these three cameras that are well reviewed,  lightweight and
have an optical zoom for you to consider:

Minolta Dimage G500, 7 ounces, 5 megapixels, 3X Optical zoom, for
about $355 at Buy.com
http://www.buy.com/retail/computers/product.asp?loc=225&sku=90126941
and Steve?s Digicam review:
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2003_reviews/dimage_g500.html

The Canon PowerShot S400  6 ½ ounces and  the Casio Exilim EX-Z4U
Digital  4.48 ounces Both have optical zoom and are lightweight.
http://www2.shopping.com/xSBS-Digital_Cameras~PG-1~NCP-4~PRDLT-20691343-20700041-21050525-21088505

More on the Canon Power Shot S400
http://www.powershot.com/powershot2/s400/specs.html

I hope you find one of these to your liking! While I like the Canon
Powershot S400 the least of the ones I found, it is only 6 and a half
ounces!
Regards,
crabcakes-ga
chrisdelz-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $5.00
Thanks for your help and very complete answer.  I appreciated you
looking at the cameras again after my request for answer
clarification!

Comments  
Subject: Re: Digital Camera: Digital Zoom vs. Optical zoom. Quality
From: crabcakes-ga on 26 Jan 2004 17:48 PST
 
Thank you chrisdelz, for the rating and the nice tip! They are both appreciated! 
Sincerely,
crabcakes-ga

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