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Subject: Critical Review of Claim made re WW2: #2 - The Norwegian Campaign
Category: Relationships and Society > Government
Asked by: probonopublico-ga
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Posted: 26 Jan 2004 10:07 PST
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Question ID: 300374
Please take a look at:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p173_Kent.html

From what you can glean regarding the Norwegian Campaign (1940), do
you reckon that Kent's claim:

That the British plan was to draw out the German fleet for battle.
Churchill and others believed that the best way to do this would be to
challenge the Germans in an open competition to invade Norway.

Can be corroborated?

Many thanks.

Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 01 Feb 2004 21:18 PST
Hi, All

Have now got all the info I require and it's an even more amazing
story than I ever imagined.

Sorry but NOBODY even got close!

Hence, the Question is going to ..... close .... GOING ....... GOING ...
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Subject: Re: Critical Review of Claim made re WW2: #2 - The Norwegian Campaign
From: politicalguru-ga on 26 Jan 2004 11:41 PST
 
Dear Bryan, 

Without refering to the merits of this particular article, you do know
that IHR is a Holocaust Deny site?
Subject: Re: Critical Review of Claim made re WW2: #2 - The Norwegian Campaign
From: probonopublico-ga on 26 Jan 2004 12:30 PST
 
Hi, Politicalguru

No ... I didn't!

Which makes it all the more interesting!

Many thanks for the advice.

Bryan
Subject: Re: Critical Review of Claim made re WW2: #2 - The Norwegian Campaign
From: kemlo-ga on 26 Jan 2004 17:40 PST
 
The British and French plan was to invade a neutral country then cross
Norway, invade a second neutral, Sweden and occupy the iron and
bauxite mines around Kiruna.
Fortunately the Germans got there first or we would not get the Xmas
tree in Trafalgar Square each year.
A cynical view of history
Subject: Re: Critical Review of Claim made re WW2: #2 - The Norwegian Campaign
From: probonopublico-ga on 26 Jan 2004 22:01 PST
 
Hi, Kemlo

That is the received version but, whatever the strategy, it was a
spectacular disaster ... (Reminiscent of the Battle of Jutland?)

The Germans out-thought and out-fought the Allies.

This was hardly surprising, as they and the Russians had spies everywhere.

Bryan
Subject: Re: Critical Review of Claim made re WW2: #2 - The Norwegian Campaign
From: politicalguru-ga on 27 Jan 2004 02:34 PST
 
Bryan, 

Somehow, the site neglected to mention that "While in the Soviet Union
Kent was accused of helping White Russians to smuggle into the United
States various Imperial Russian treasures. It was later revealed that
he was also passing on documents to Nazi intelligence while in Moscow.
Kent was transferred to London to work as a cypher clerk at the
American Embassy. His arrival in England in the company of Ludwig
Matthias, a Gestapo agent, brought him to the attention of MI5. "
[...] "Soon afterwards, MI8, the wireless interception service, picked
up messages between Rome and Berlin that indicated that Admiral
Wilhelm Canaris, head of German military intelligence (Abwehr), now
had copies of the Roosevelt-Churchill correspondence " (Spartakus
Schoolnet, <http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/SSkentT.htm>)

In any case: "At his trial it was proved that Tyler Kent had himself
been recruited into this nazi spy ring when the prosecution produced
letters showing that he had been instructed to establish contact with
Guy Niermans, Wolkoff's principal agent in Belgium, and her main link
to nazi intelligence in Berlin. It was also shown just how important
and dangerous this ring was when one of the prosecution witnesses
stated that Wolkoff had provided the Abwehr with the detailed plans of
Britain's invasion and defence of Norway in April 1940 - information
which enabled the nazis to defeat the British forces, many of whom
were then incarcerated and some butchered in the nazis' concentration
camps." (SOURCE: Pauline Henri, "The Friends of Oswald Mosley: Tyler
Kent, Anna Wolkoff and the BUF" Searchlight September-October 1989
<http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/stories/mosley1.htm>).

An American Journalist's account from that same period, mentions
Kent's arrest, claims that the information was tranferred through
Ireland, but has another interesting fact: from the inspection her
papers went through, "I remember his stopping at one page which said
something about six hundred men, troop carrying planes, Norway.", it
seems that the invasion to Norway was "common knowledge", so to speak
(see p. 53 in "Washington Press Club Foundation - Helen Kirkpatrick
Milbank: Interview #2 (pp. 51-90)", April 4, 1990 in Williamsburg, VA
, Anne Kasper, Interviewer
<http://npc.press.org/wpforal/kirk2.htm>). In other words, at least
the part about "making it open" (competition) might be sound.
Subject: Re: Critical Review of Claim made re WW2: #2 - The Norwegian Campaign
From: probonopublico-ga on 27 Jan 2004 04:13 PST
 
Hi, Politicalguru

The stuff that you have quoted is, for the most part, absolute
rubbish. No fault of yours.

The MI5 files that have recently been placed in the (British) National
Archives tell a very different story ...

I wonder why?

Regards

Bryan
Subject: Re: Critical Review of Claim made re WW2: #2 - The Norwegian Campaign
From: probonopublico-ga on 27 Jan 2004 07:37 PST
 
Hi, Again, Political Guru

I find the stuff that you've found absolutely marvellous because it is
mostly wrong and misrepresents what went on at the trial, for which a
transcript is available. It is sitting next to me as I write.

However, please dig a little deeper because I sense that an answer is
lurking somewhere.

Warmest regards

Bryan
Subject: Re: Critical Review of Claim made re WW2: #2 - The Norwegian Campaign
From: politicalguru-ga on 27 Jan 2004 10:32 PST
 
Bryan, 

Curious. Will try to continue tomorrow, given my problem with having
only 24 hours each day.
Subject: Re: Critical Review of Claim made re WW2: #2 - The Norwegian Campaign
From: probonopublico-ga on 27 Jan 2004 12:15 PST
 
Hi, PG

Look forward to hearing again from you soon.

In case you had overlooked it, this year is a LEAP YEAR so you have an
extra 24 hours that you can utilise.

KR

Bryan

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