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Subject: Looking for Commodore John Bradshaw, my great-grandfather.
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: ttimotym-ga
List Price: $25.00
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 00:20 PST
Expires: 03 Mar 2004 00:20 PST
Question ID: 302676
I am looking for my great-grandfather, Commodore JOHN BRADSHAW. He was
born in Liverpool England about 1862 or 1863, died in New York City
March 22, 1929. He was Lt. j.g. on USS Harvard in 1898, and at the
Battle of Santiago. He was Captain of Red Star Steamship "Lapland"
before during and after World War I. He was captain of Red Star
Steamship "Belgenland" (the second steamship to bear that name)on her
maiden voyage out from Belfast, Ireland. His wife was Helen Steel
Bradshaw. He became US citizen in Philadelphia PA. I am looking for
verification of these facts, perhaps from ships' rosters, and dates
and details   of service. I am looking for his and his wife's family,
names of parents or siblings. I would like to know if hw had a middle
name.

Request for Question Clarification by omnivorous-ga on 02 Feb 2004 06:56 PST
Tim --

It would be helpful to know if you have any of the following:
*  his obituary in from the New York Times (Mar. 27, 1929)
*  Census listing for him in 1920
*  newspaper accounts of his rescue of the British ship Vindobola (1898)
*  Who's Who or Who's Who in America listings for him from the 1920's

Also helpful: date and place of his marriage.

Best regards,

Omnivorous-GA
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Subject: Re: Looking for Commodore John Bradshaw, my great-grandfather.
Answered By: omnivorous-ga on 02 Feb 2004 11:54 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Tim --

Your grandfather led an interesting life, though very little of it is
visible on the Internet.  Instead, I relied on specialized (but still
public) databases to ferret out details.

One excellent place to look is in the New York Times index.  It is
available via the Internet at the NY Times website for a fee -- but
also via many public libraries for no charge:
NY Times
"Article Archive"
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/nytarchive.html

The Mar. 27, 1929 NY Times obituary for him reads: "John Bradshaw
Dead; Was at Sea 50 Years."

John Bradshaw retired as a commodore in the Red Star Line fleet in
1927, then died two years later in New York City.  He died at home of
heart disease.  His funeral was held on Mar. 26 at his home, 622 West
113th Street and he was buried in Kensico Cemetery.  Survivors were
his wife, as well as Leslie H. (son); Alison, an actress in Chicago;
and Mrs. Herbert Foster, of Scarsdale, NY.

Commodore Bradshaw was a lieutenant on the U.S.S. Harvard in the
Spanish-American War and was decorated for heroism after the Battle of
Santiago.  During that battle, the Harvard took aboard almost 1,000
survivors from the Spanish fleet, which was annihilated.  After a
rescue of 23 sailors from the British ship Vindobola in 1898 he was
also decorated by the Lloyd's of London; the Royal Humane Society and
the British Government.

While working for the Red Star Line, which sailed under the Belgian
flag, Bradshaw commanded the Lapland for 10 years, transporting more
than 100,000 troops during World War I.  He then commanded the
Belgenland (sometimes called the Belgenland II)  from her launch at
Belfast on March 17, 1923 to Antwerp.  The 27,000-ton liner, then the
largest of the Red Star fleet, made its maiden voyage from Antwerp to
New York on April 4, 1923 -- arriving April 14.   The ship's maiden
voyage east left New York on April 18 for Plymouth, Cherbourg and
Antwerp.

Capt. Bradshaw is quoted in the NY Times on April 15, 1923 calling the
Bergenland a "jewel box among big ships."  The ship was large enough
to accommodate 2,700 passengers.

Note that if you'd like to follow the sailings and arrivals of the
Belgenland during the period he was active, the NY Times publishes
daily lists of the comings and goings of ocean liners -- including
which persons of note are on-board.  That will give you a hint at who
was probably dining at the captains table!  Often they're under
"Shipping & Mail" in the daily newspaper but often they mention the
names of the larger ships.  I counted over 600 references to the
Be;genland after her launch.

During 1926-1927 he apparently took the ship on at least 4 world
cruises.  There were two in 1927 -- a 132-day cruise at the beginning
of the year which ended April 26 -- and another which started Dec. 13
with 350 passengers on-board.

The best way to find parents' names and full legal name is to request
your great-grandfather's naturalization papers.  This is done with a
Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for the "Petition for
Naturalization" and "Certificate of Naturalization" from the
Immigration and Naturalization Service.  It takes 4-6 months and
undoubtedly will be expedited if you provided a stamped return
envelope:
U.S. Department of Justice 
"FOIA Request Form" 
http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/formsfee/forms/g-639.htm  
  
You may find these books on the history of the Red Star Line
(1872-1935) interesting, particularly because they contain photos and
drawings of the two SS Belgenlands -- and may even contain photos of
the captains:
Stillman Books
"Red Star Line and Other Ocean Liners" (Dec. 4, 2003)
http://www.stillmanbooks.com/redstar.htm

One other item of minor note is that in 1916, the NY Times reported
that the Bergenland would be re-christened the "Homeric," though it
never happened.

Also note that Red Star Lines had a one-ton, 18-foot long model of the
Belgenland at the Savoy Plaza Hotel in New York during the 1930s.

Google search strategy:
"John Bradshaw" + commodore
use of the NY Times index
"Red Star Line" + history
"Battle of Santiago" + Harvard

Here are some things that proved to be dead-ends in the search:
*  Bradshaw does not appear in the New York City census for 1920,
though it's possible that he was living in Philadelphia (or elsewhere)
or at sea.
*  There is a Helen Bradshaw, 55, born in Ireland of English-Irish
parents.  She lives at 234 56th Street in New York and works in a
hotel's restaurant.  She immigrated to the U.S. in 1903 -- but there's
no guarantee that she's Helen Steel Bradshaw.
*  John does NOT appear in the 1927 Who's Who or in Who Was Who in America.

Best regards,

Omnivorous-GA

Request for Answer Clarification by ttimotym-ga on 03 Feb 2004 02:31 PST
Omniverous-GA   Thanks very much for the suggestions. The information
I have is from an obit. cut out from an undated and unidentified
newspaper, purportedly written by his son. Date of death came from a
phone call to the cemetary. I have no info on marriage. Where could I
go for marriage info? Probably it occurred in England between
1880-1891. How about his birth date and/or parents? I have heard that
Somerset House in London has lots of records; do you have experience
with that?
Helen Steel Bradshaw was a friend of Mary Baker Eddy who founded the
Christian Scientists, a/k/a The Religion of Christ Scientist.
   Can these questions be included in the original request? Otherwise,
and so far the rating is very good, if not excellent.
Tim

Clarification of Answer by omnivorous-ga on 03 Feb 2004 07:47 PST
Tim --

I don't have information on Somerset House, though I'm very familiar
with American records.  I'll do some checking this morning and post
additional information, if I can.  Some notes:
*  you have two excellent next steps -- the Stillman books (I know
that they have pictures of at least one captain of the Red Star/White
Star lines) AND the FOIA request.  Naturalization papers should
include marriage date/place and parents' names.
*  I checked for Helen Steel Bradshaw's obit but didn't find it.  I'll
check the 1930 Census for her in NYC, as I'm pretty sure that the
reference I found in the 1920 Census wasn't her.  My prime skepticism
is: why would she be working in a hotel restaurant?
*  I've done biographical research on some well-known people involved
in social movements, much like Mary Baker Eddy.  In looking for your
GG grandmother, I'd suggest finding biographies or journals of Eddy
and perusing them for reference to Helen.  A good library's likely to
be more helpful than online searches -- though Google and the Internet
are a great place to start looking for clues.
*  Two other obvious places to look are U.S. Navy records and English
records, particularly since John was decorated by both.  The National
Archives Records Administration (NARA) has veterans' records, though
you'll probably have to make a personal request for the information:
http://www.archives.gov/research_room/genealogy/index.html/

Note that full service records are in St. Louis at the National
Personnel Records Center.

I don't know how to get English decorations.  There are some books
that include title grants in England but not decorations for service. 
In checking English newspapers online, I couldn't even find reference
to the Vindoloba sinking:
The British Library
"Online Newspaper Archives"
http://www.uk.olivesoftware.com/

Best regards,

Omnivorous-GA

Clarification of Answer by omnivorous-ga on 03 Feb 2004 10:40 PST
Tim --

It's unclear whether records are still at Somerset House or not.  Some
web references indicate that they were moved subsequent to a fire. 
Rootsweb is an excellent genealogical resource and may be able to help
you find the best resources for U.K. vital statistics:
http://www.rootsweb.com/

I checked to see if Helen Bradshaw remained in New York by going to
the 1930 Census, but alas, she's NOT there.  Note that the NY Times
(Feb. 15, 1930) has a Mrs. Helen Bradshaw sailing for London/Cherbourg
aboard the liner Minnewaska, though it's obviously a fairly common
name.

Best regards,

Omnivorous-GA
ttimotym-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
Thanks for the suggestions.

Comments  
Subject: Re: Looking for Commodore John Bradshaw, my great-grandfather.
From: fp-ga on 03 Feb 2004 02:40 PST
 
These links could be helpful when searching for genealogical dates in England:

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/progress.shtml

or

http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/

1881 British Census:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp
Subject: Re: Looking for Commodore John Bradshaw, my great-grandfather.
From: fp-ga on 03 Feb 2004 12:21 PST
 
Dear Tim,

You can find some general information concerning "Civil Registration
of births, marriages and deaths" (from 1 July 1837 in England and
Wales onwards) on this page:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/civreg/index.html

You can search these indexes by going to the links mentioned in my
previous comment:
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
and
http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/

Other useful and helpful links are:
The Society of Genealogists, London:
http://www.sog.org.uk/index.html

and
English Origins:
http://www.englishorigins.com/

Regards
fp
Subject: Re: Looking for Commodore John Bradshaw, my great-grandfather.
From: ttimotym-ga on 03 Feb 2004 13:01 PST
 
Thanks very much! Both to omniverous and to fp!! I will search out the
links you have suggested. 'rootsweb' was not helpful though. The
unidentified obit dated 10.20.1946 of Helen S. Bradshaw that I have
says she was born in Glasgow Scotland 82 years before. That would be
about 1864. No marriage yet. Elusive characters...

Their son is only a little less vague.

Thanks so much for all the follw-ups!

Tim

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