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Subject: Adult education for French nationals in the UK
Category: Reference, Education and News > Education
Asked by: anotherearthmother-ga
List Price: $11.50
Posted: 11 Feb 2004 14:50 PST
Expires: 12 Mar 2004 14:50 PST
Question ID: 305900
What is the Home Office Regulation which governs French Nationals (au
pairs in the UK for 6-7 months)wanting to enrol for free English for
Speakers of Other Languages courses in adult education and Lifelong
Learning centers?
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Subject: Re: Adult education for French nationals in the UK
Answered By: scriptor-ga on 11 Feb 2004 16:20 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Dear anotherearthmother,

These are the complete Home Office's regulations concerning Au Pairs:


-- Immigration Rules (HC395); Part 4; Part I; §§88-94 --

Immigration Rules - Persons seeking to enter the United Kingdom in an
"Au Pair" Placement (...) - Au Pair Placements
http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/default.asp?PageId=4568



-- Immigration and Nationality Directorates' Instructions; Chapter 4; Section 1 --

Immigration and Nationality Directorates' Instructions - Permit-free
Employment (Short Term) and Training - "Au Pair" Placements
http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/default.asp?PageId=829



-- Immigration and Nationality Directorates' Instructions; Chapter 4;
Section 1; Annex A --

Immigration and Nationality Directorates' Instructions  - Permit-free
Employment (Short Term) and Training - "Au Pair" Placements - General
Guidance
http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/default.asp?PageId=836



-- Immigration and Nationality Directorates' Instructions; Chapter 4;
Section 1; Annex B --

Immigration and Nationality Directorates' Instructions  - Permit-free
Employment (Short Term) and Training - "Au Pair" Placements - Rufusal
Formulae
http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/default.asp?PageId=837



Source:
Home Office: Immigration and Nationality Directorate - Law and Policy
http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/default.asp?pageid=19


Hope this is what you were looking for!
Best regards,
Scriptor

Request for Answer Clarification by anotherearthmother-ga on 13 Feb 2004 08:20 PST
Thanks for all the links but none of them answer the specific query
with regard to the rules on when they are/aren't eligible to be
enrolled in Adult Education Colleges in the UK. I have been told that
there is a specific rule which states that they must have been
resident in the UK for 3 years minimum. Any more links?Please help!

Clarification of Answer by scriptor-ga on 13 Feb 2004 10:51 PST
Dear anotherearthmother,

I have consulted a colleague Google Answers Researcher, leli-ga, who
is resident in the United Kingdom. According to the information
available, no such "three years" rule exists. It appears that you are
either victim of a misunderstanding or in a very unusual situation.
Maybe you could bring some light into this by letting us know:

- what sort of institution told you about that rule you mentioned?

- did the person advising you realise you were talking about an EU resident?

Regards,
Scriptor

Request for Answer Clarification by anotherearthmother-ga on 14 Feb 2004 07:37 PST
thanks for further response. 

This is an adult education college offering 'Lifelong Learning'
through free courses. They tell me that they must abide by this rule
to remain eligible for funding. And, yes, I did make it quite clear
that the student is an EU member.

Request for Answer Clarification by anotherearthmother-ga on 14 Feb 2004 07:39 PST
thanks for further response. 

This is an adult education college offering 'Lifelong Learning'
through free courses. They tell me that they must abide by this rule
to remain eligible for funding. And, yes, I did make it quite clear
that the student is an EU member.

Thanks for continued attention

Clarification of Answer by scriptor-ga on 14 Feb 2004 10:47 PST
Dear anotherearthmother,

That is most confusing. I have searched the Home Office's databases
again and again, but I found no laws or regulations relating to such a
rule. A British colleague of mine has even expressed serious doubts
that such regulation of adult education centre funding would be inside
the Home Office's competence. I will continue searching, but at the
moment, I am rather perplexed.

Regards,
Scriptor

Clarification of Answer by scriptor-ga on 15 Feb 2004 05:31 PST
Dear anotherearthmother,

I am shamefaced. I have reached a dead end, I am afraid. Even my
British colleagues are puzzled. Since I have, alas, been unable to
provide a satisfying answer to you, you are of course entitled to
request a full refund. If you would like to do so, please follow the
instructions provided here:
http://answers.google.com/answers/refundrequest


For your information, this is the information my colleague Researcher,
Leli-ga, has provided me recently:

"I'm wondering if this French au pair is being sent to the wrong kind
of English class.
There is Home Office funding for some provision for refugees.
Somewhere I found something saying the Refugee Community Development
Fund is part of the Home Office's refugee Integration Strategy.
This might be a source of funding for some English (ESOL) classes:

://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22home+office+funding%22+courses+OR+classes+refugees+OR+%22asylum-seekers%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

Possibly activities with Home Office funds have to follow Home Office
regulations on who can join in?

But ESOL classes are not the obvious choice for a French au pair. 
ESOL - English for Speakers of Other Languages - courses are aimed at
migrants who arrive in the UK with minimal English and have probably
not done it at school. May well run alongside training for work and/or
support groups.

Presumably a French au pair would need an EFL - English as a Foreign
Language course - aimed at people who have done some at school already
and are expected to go home after a while. These are less likely to be
free courses than ESOL.
(ESOL is also called ESL - English as a Second Language, though
sometimes EFL is called ESL.)

I see that at Leicester Adult Ed College: 
"All ESOL classes are free and are for permanent UK residents, asylum
seekers and refugees."
http://www.leicester-adult-ed.ac.uk/depts_desc.asp?DeptName=ESOL 
(I wouldn't be surprised if this could be challenged under EU law.) 

Perhaps this au pair has been turned away from an ESOL course? 
Perhaps her employer doesn't want to pay for a suitable EFL course?

How adult education colleges set rules on fees and admission may vary
from place to place, according to the whims of the local council."


Again, I am distraught because I could not help you the way I intended
to. Please accept my apologies.
Regards,
Scriptor

Request for Answer Clarification by anotherearthmother-ga on 15 Feb 2004 06:41 PST
we were adviced by more than one college that because she is a french
speaker, the appropriate course is ESOL. The finances are not the
issue as I would not be paying, she would. It was not until we got to
the point where I queried this mysterious home office rule and was
told it's all to do with funding, that we even realised that the
course is free. All courses in this college are offered free.

With regard to the 'refugee' suggestion, she does not in any way
classify as a refugee and cannot be accepted for any such programmes.

Do not be shame faced as I really wanted clarification that such a
rule does not actually exist, as I suspected. I see that you have gone
to great lengths, and I will certainly not be requesting a refund.

It appears that if there is such a rule, it will be as you say to do
with council regulations and nothing at all to do with the home
office. So we will be visiting the college tomorrow morning to find
out once and for all, exactly what they mean, and I will be requesting
a copy of their so-called home office rule.

Thank you very much for your attention.

I am quite satisfied.

Clarification of Answer by scriptor-ga on 15 Feb 2004 06:49 PST
Thank you for your kind words. I feel indeed relieved, and I am happy
to know you feel satisfied.

Very best regards,
Scriptor
anotherearthmother-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
The researcher referred to numerous sources but the answere to the
question was: the Rule queried does not exist.

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