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Subject: France in WWII: Did French bicycles have luggage carriers?
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: sbaldwin-ga
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Posted: 12 Feb 2004 21:58 PST
Expires: 13 Mar 2004 21:58 PST
Question ID: 306357
Am trying to find the answer to a historical question about French
bikes for a novel to be published later this year.
Faced with a shortage of petrol during WWII, people in France
converted their bikes into velo-taxis and beasts of burden. I've heard
from one source that luggage carriers were attached to bikes so two
people could ride, but haven't found any photos. I've seen people
riding this way in India -- the man in front and perhaps a woman or
child sitting sidesaddle on the luggage carrier over the back wheel,
but I just can't confirm that such bikes and luggage carriers existed
in 1943 Paris. Please cite a print source or provide an archive photo
with copyright information.
Best wishes  and thanks in advance.

Request for Question Clarification by leli-ga on 13 Feb 2004 05:28 PST
Hello sbaldwin

I haven't been able to find a photograph of someone riding this way,
or even any clear-cut evidence about luggage carriers in Paris itself.
However, if you were interested, it should be possible to assemble a
collection of bits and pieces which would suggest luggage carriers
were common in France in that era.

So far I have a photo and various snippets from the web about luggage
carriers, including two anecdotes about people actually riding on them
in wartime France.

If you are interested in this kind of evidence, do let me know, and
tell me how much you would need for a satisfactory answer.

Thanks - Leli

Clarification of Question by sbaldwin-ga on 13 Feb 2004 20:28 PST
Dear Leli:
This is my first time using Google Answers - just stumbled across it last night.
I'm delighted to hear from you and thank you so much.
I would need all of the items you mention:

   1. the two anecdotes with specific source citations, page numbers etc.
   2. The photo and snippets about luggage carriers.

These would bring me a satisfactory answer. Phew!
By the way - where are you located? You must have been working on this
last night. I'm so curious.
Shauna

Request for Question Clarification by leli-ga on 14 Feb 2004 01:06 PST
Dear Shauna

I'm in the UK and was working in my daytime! Although many researchers
are in North America, there are plenty of us scattered elsewhere round
the globe.

Just one more query, because I'm not sure I can provide the "specific
source citations, page numbers" you'd like. The anecdotes I mentioned
come from a personal website and a club website. There's also a
similar story from wartime Belgium on a local history association
website, but again it's a personal reminiscence.

I'm glad you came across Google Answers and hope we can help you with this - 

Leli

Clarification of Question by sbaldwin-ga on 14 Feb 2004 11:37 PST
Dear Leli: Personal reminiscence is acceptable if you could supply the
exact quotes with the URL for the personal website, the club website.
and the local history association website.
Thanks so much!
Cheers,
Shauna
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Subject: Re: France in WWII: Did French bicycles have luggage carriers?
Answered By: leli-ga on 14 Feb 2004 12:47 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
After my searches, I'm convinced that bikes with luggage carriers or
"porte-bagages" were common, but not newsworthy so that they aren't
featured in picture archives like the vélo-taxis.


Pictures
========

1938 bike with luggage carrier from an exhibition in Cantal
http://www.cantalpassion.com/images2003(2)/aout_2003/expo_cyclo_2003_22.jpg
from:
http://www.cantalpassion.com/semaine_cyclo_dans_le_cantal.htm


Belgian "evacuation bike", posed for an exhibition.
http://www.ormeignies.net/images/expo95-9.jpg
from: "Ormeignies se souvient (1940 - 1945)"
http://www.ormeignies.net/activites/index.htm


Bike for film of "Lacombe Lucien", set in 1944, made in 1974
http://nef-louismalle.com/images/lacombe2.jpg
from:
http://nef-louismalle.com/imagbank/lacombl.htm


This 1943 bike looks as if it has a luggage rack, but unfortunately
the picture's very unclear.
http://www.mairie-metz.fr:8080/METZ/ENVIR/ENVIR_COUV-ARMES2.html


There's even more of a problem with these stills from "La Bicyclette
Bleue", set in occupied France. Is that a luggage carrier on the back?
http://www.imavision.com/fr/eStore,wciCatalogue,Type-P,ID-984,LoadCat-1.html
http://www.2xmoinscher.com/DVD/detail.asp?id=8273&Coupon=utile&dvd=La%20bicyclette%20bleue




Personal anecdotes
==================

An accordionist took his wife on the luggage carrier when going to
play at a forbidden wartime dance in the mountains of central France.

"C'était pendant la dernière guerre au centre de la France. Toute
réunion publique était interdite et les bals également. Mais les gens
avaient envie de continuer à danser quand même et ils se retrouvaient
dans des granges perdues dans les montagnes. Un accordéoniste jouait
pour eux. Il y allait en vélo, 10 km ou plus, sa femme sur le
porte-bagages et son piano à bretelles en bandoulière.
[...]
Et une fois le bal fini, avec son vélo, sa femme et son accordéon
derrière lui, par les chemins sinueux de la montagne, il rentrait à la
maison..."

From the newsletter of the Breton accordion association, "Collectif
Accordéon Diatonique de Bretagne"
http://www.cadb.org/Parole-9/

~~~~

Mother carrying son:

"Ma mère portait mon frère sur son porte bagages"
http://www.microjo.net/textes/souvenirs.htm

From personal memoirs - list of contents at:
http://www.microjo.net/textes/sommaire.htm

~~~~

In Belgium in May 1940, a woman took her mother on the luggage carrier:

"Ma mère l'a emmenée sur son porte-bagages jusqu'à Ransart"

Souvenirs de guerre d?un enfant de huit ans
by André GANY
http://ibelgique.ifrance.com/clham/050413.htm

On the website of the "Centre Liégeois d'Histoire et d'Archéologie Militaires"
Their home page is at:
http://ibelgique.ifrance.com/clham/index.htm

~~~~

In the postwar period, this mother often carried her son on her bike.

" . . . époque difficile où tu feras souvent, en bicyclette, ton fils sur le
porte-bagages, la route entre Lure et Magnoncourt."

From an obituary/article in an Alsace newspaper
http://www.payspresse.com/pdfs/02/11/10/pdfs/17.pdf

~~~~

And though this next anecdote comes from Utrecht, it's too dramatic to
leave out, as a woman about to give birth rides on the luggage carrier
while her husband pedals as fast as he can for the hospital.

"Utrecht, le 14 mars 1945, quatre heures du matin. Malgré le
couvre-feu ? c'était toujours la guerre - mon père a sauté sur son
vélo sans pneus et a pédalé aussi vite qu'il pouvait. Ma mère
tressautait sur le porte-bagages et se cramponnait à lui."

From the website of Herman van Veen, singer, about his own birth.
http://www.hermanvanveen.com/fr/Ivw.htm



References to luggage carriers
==============================

"H.A. and Margret escaped on bicycle from German-occupied Paris, with
just their winter coats and several picture books (including a draft
of Curious George, then called Fifi) strapped to the racks."
http://www.geometry.net/basic_f_bk/4-h.html

~~~~

In La Seyne-sur-Mer in 1944, an orchestra's trophies were saved from
looting by being hidden in a crateful of vegetables under a demijohn
of wine, and transported on the luggage-carrier of a bike.

"Avec le maximum de précautions, j'entassai nos trésors au fond d'un
cageot et les dissimulai sous des paquets de légumes. Le chargement
sur le porte-bagages de mon vélo fut complété par une petite bonbonne
de vin."
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/marius.autran/glossaire/seynoise/chapitre_7.html

~~~~

In 1940s France an artist only needed an easel on his luggage-carrier
to explain his movements.

"Il lui suffit d'arrimer un chevalet sur le porte-bagages de son vélo
pour justifier ses déplacements. "
http://monsite.ifrance.com/edechambost/Tillon-Tandem.htm#velo

~~~~

Transmitter in a suitcase on a luggage-carrier in 1943-4:

"L'émetteur était dans une valise noire attachée à mon porte-bagages."
http://membres.lycos.fr/codechamplain/histoire3.htm

~~~~

1940 bike with a sackful of clothes tied to the frame, and a suitcase
and another package strapped to the luggage carrier:

"Je ficelle ce sac sur le cadre de la bicyclette au-dessus du
pédalier. La valise et un autre paquet sont solidement fixés au
porte-bagages par des courroies de cuir. Le vélo est bien chargé mais
qu'importe."
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fx.goutalier/120640.htm

~~~~

Wartime novel set in Normandy mentions a case on the carrier:

"Sa valise sur le porte-bagages arrière "
http://www.abebooks.fr/docs/ReadingRoom/Enigme/enigme1203.shtml

~~~~

1940 - a long journey with bag on the luggage carrier:

"Mon sac sur le porte-bagages du vélo, je roule. Paris est à 500
kilomètres derrière moi, Cahors a cent kilomètres au Sud."
http://lug.linguist.jussieu.fr/lug/lug0.html

~~~~

I also came across these photographs of bikes with carriers from the
right period, but from England and Italy.

England 1945 bike
http://www.sharpos-world.co.uk/mainindx/uk/indx/new/nw98/page03.htm

Italy - from the film "The Bicycle Thief", made in 1948
http://www.film.queensu.ca/Critical/Photos/BicycleThief/BTBike.JPG
from:
http://www.film.queensu.ca/Critical/Bonikowski.html


I hope this patchwork of evidence suits your purposes, Shauna. Please
don't hesitate to ask if there's anything I could clarify, whether
it's a broken link, a French phrase or anything else. I'll do my best
to help!

Let me wish you very good luck with the novel - hope it's going well.

Best wishes - Leli



Searches were mostly varying combinations of these terms:

"sur * porte-bagages"  "au porte-bagages"  porte-bagages
vélo  bicyclette
"guerre mondiale" "paris occupée" "france occupée"
1940 OR 1941 OR 1942 OR 1943 OR 1945 OR 1945

There may be more references to be found combing through these search results:
://www.google.co.uk/search?q=paris+OR+france+%22sur+*+porte-bagages%22+1940+OR+1941+OR+1942+OR+1943+OR+1945+OR+1945&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

Clarification of Answer by leli-ga on 14 Feb 2004 12:50 PST
Unfortunately the very first link I gave you hasn't come out
highlighted all along, so you can't click on it. You'll need to copy
and paste the URL. Let me know if you have any trouble with this.

Leli
sbaldwin-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
Many thanks for this wonderful assistance. I really appreciate it and
will be back  with more questions.

Comments  
Subject: Re: France in WWII: Did French bicycles have luggage carriers?
From: juliek-ga on 13 Feb 2004 07:42 PST
 
If you visit the following archive photograph site:

http://www.roger-viollet.fr/principale.asp

click on the UK flag  to access the *English* option, and carry a out
a simple search, entering the date parameters 1939 1946 and the word
bicycle, you should find almost, if not exactly what you are looking
for. There are several photographs in the archive of cycles being used
as taxis, with sidecars, trailers, and even one pulling a wheelchair!

Contact information for copyright purposes is on the archives' home page.

I hope this helps.

Julie
Subject: Re: France in WWII: Did French bicycles have luggage carriers?
From: sbaldwin-ga on 14 Feb 2004 17:28 PST
 
Thank you, Juliek-ga!
Subject: Re: France in WWII: Did French bicycles have luggage carriers?
From: leli-ga on 15 Feb 2004 03:05 PST
 
Thank-you very much! 

I really enjoyed researching this - so many interesting stories - and
am glad you found my answer helpful.

Looking forward to seeing you around on Google Answers again - Leli

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