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Subject:
'Short Burst' Transmission - when did the UK & the US introduce?
Category: Science > Technology Asked by: probonopublico-ga List Price: $20.00 |
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21 Feb 2004 00:52 PST
Expires: 27 Feb 2004 10:22 PST Question ID: 309103 |
Evidently, during WW2 (if not before) the UK & the US used Short Burst Transmission for their top secret communications. And, as I understand it, the following method was used: a) Encryption of the message using a one-time pad (which provided excellent protection). b) The short burst transmission was used primarily to reduce the possibility of detection and triangulation by the (for their day, quite efficient) German listening posts. The Morse Code was recorded, using a wire recorder, then speeded up by replaying the recorder at multiple speed, then the code was transmitted as a burst at a specified time and on a specified frequency. The fundamental principle is to have the transmitter on for such a short period of time that the detector units weren't able to triangulate. I imagine that this method required the use of a modulated carrier, rather than continuous wave, less efficient unfortunately. OK, so good so far. Or is it? Is my understanding correct? But, critically, when did the UK & the US INTRODUCE this? Many thanks Bryan | |
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Re: 'Short Burst' Transmission - when did the UK & the US introduce?
From: kemlo-ga on 21 Feb 2004 15:11 PST |
The German navy used a version of "Burst" to minimise there being detected by the British High freqency Direction Finders, Huff-Duff. However the Bletchly Park made this pointless. Regd..Kemlo |
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Re: 'Short Burst' Transmission - when did the UK & the US introduce?
From: probonopublico-ga on 21 Feb 2004 22:57 PST |
Hi, Kemlo As I understand it, Huff-Duff was useful anyway for pinpointing the source of shortwave signals ... For example, the Black Propaganda stations (like NBBS) which purported to be being broadcast by dissidents in this country. Great Comment. Many thanks Bryan |
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Re: 'Short Burst' Transmission - when did the UK & the US introduce?
From: fp-ga on 22 Feb 2004 01:58 PST |
Well, not quite sure if this is what you are looking for (year of first usage not mentioned). Pictures of the U.S.ARMY M-108 POCKET-SIZED BURST CODE KEYER (go to number 190): http://www.chss.montclair.edu/~pererat/mcpu.htm or http://w1tp.com/mcpu.htm Regards, Freddy P.S. Website concerning Hedy Lamarr: http://www.hedylamarr.at/ |
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Re: 'Short Burst' Transmission - when did the UK & the US introduce?
From: probonopublico-ga on 22 Feb 2004 04:45 PST |
Hi, Freddy Many thanks for the great links ... Never realised (until Omni put me wise) what Hedy got up to. An amazing woman. Bryan |
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Re: 'Short Burst' Transmission - What the German Navy Used
From: kemlo-ga on 22 Feb 2004 12:21 PST |
KURIER A high speed "Burst" radio transmitter used by U-boats for communications with home bases. The Kurier apparatus comprises a number of dials upon which could be set such basic data as Lat. Long. Time and fuel data plus numbers for pre-arranged phrases. Upon transmission all this pre-set data would be sent at very high speed in the form of a burst of pulses. The Royal Navy had on its various bases surrounding the North Atlantic Huff-Duff stations all linked by radio-teletype to the anti U-boat headquarters in Liverpool. Regards Kemlo |
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Re: 'Short Burst' Transmission - when did the UK & the US introduce?
From: probonopublico-ga on 22 Feb 2004 12:57 PST |
Great stuff, Kemlo, Many thanks! Any idea of when this started? Warmest regards Bryan |
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Re: 'Short Burst' Transmission - when did the UK & the US introduce?
From: fp-ga on 23 Feb 2004 00:37 PST |
Hi, Bryan These pages seem to be rather interesting (but you may already know them): "Spy vs. Spy" -- The Intelligence War in the European Theater: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/ETO/Ultra/index.html Battle of the Atlantic: Allied Communication Intelligence December 1942 - May 1945: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/ETO/Ultra/SRH-009/index.html ULTRA in the Atlantic: U-Boat Operations: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/ETO/Ultra/SRH-008/index.html ULTRA AND THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE U-BOATS IN WORLD WAR II: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/ETO/Ultra/SRH-142/index.html Counter Intelligence Corps History in World War II, Textbook, 1946: http://carlisle-www.army.mil/cgi-bin/usamhi/DL/showdoc.pl?docnum=335 About the HyperWar Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/about.html Regards, Freddy P.S. Found this website when searching for "Kurier" as mentioned by Kemlo. Previous links to this website by GA Researchers: http://answers.google.com/answers/search?q=hyperwar&qtype=all |
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Re: 'Short Burst' Transmission - when did the UK & the US introduce?
From: probonopublico-ga on 23 Feb 2004 05:26 PST |
Hi, Freddy Many thanks for providing more links. Knowing you, I'm sure that they'll be relevant & interesting. But, I haven't yet had time to explore them. That I will do later. Warmest regards Bryan |
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Re: 'Short Burst' Transmission - when did the UK & the US introduce?
From: probonopublico-ga on 23 Feb 2004 08:51 PST |
Wow, Freddy ... Just had a quick look before dinner (Roast Duck will be ready in 10 minutes) but By Jove! You've done it again! I shall now enjoy my duck all the more. Many thanks Bryan |
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