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Subject: How to tell if hard drive logic boards can be swapped
Category: Computers > Hardware
Asked by: jmorgan99-ga
List Price: $2.50
Posted: 26 Feb 2004 08:32 PST
Expires: 27 Mar 2004 08:32 PST
Question ID: 311017
Hello...

About a month ago, my power supply blew, taking with it quite a few
pieces of my hardware.  I've replaced or repaired just about
everything, but I'm having trouble with my hard drive.  The
specifications are as follows...

Model: wd600ab-00bva0
Date: 13 May 2001
DCM: DRBABT2CB
Drive Param: LBA 117231408
Also, there are some numbers on the bottom right of the label next to
some chinese characters... 3902A182


The drive won't spin up at all, which leads me to strongly believe
that the logic board is burnt up.  I'm pretty sure if I can find an
identical hard drive, then there is a good chance of being able to
swap logic boards and get my data back.  So my question is this...

How do I know a drive is compatible?  I have found drives w/ the same
model number, drive parameters, and numbers on the bottom right... but
none with the same DCM number.  What is the DCM number? (I'm pretty
sure it stands for data code model)  How important is it in terms of
compatibility w/ similar drives (as far as swapping out a logic board
is concerned)?

I've done a bit of research, and I've also noticed that the "firmware"
of the logic board is important.  Where can I find this? (I don't see
it on the label).  Or is the DCM the same as firmware?

Please help!

Clarification of Question by jmorgan99-ga on 03 Mar 2004 10:11 PST
I just received an e-mail back from Western Digital telling me that
DCM stands for "Drive Control Matrix" and it lists the features of the
drive.  That is the only information I received from them.

My original question still stands... is the DCM number important for
the compatibility of the logic boards I want to swap?

JM
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Subject: Re: How to tell if hard drive logic boards can be swapped
From: mister2u-ga on 26 Feb 2004 11:41 PST
 
Computer stores get asked this question frequently,you will probably
have to pay the price of a new drive so unless you have important data
don't bother,a computer store may be able to answer your other
questions.
Subject: Re: How to tell if hard drive logic boards can be swapped
From: jmorgan99-ga on 26 Feb 2004 12:02 PST
 
Well, that's kind of the point.

I've already got a new drive that I'm using... but I desperately need
to get the data off of this old drive.  If I can pull a logic board
off of a compatible drive, I'm pretty positive I can get the drive to
power up and spin at least long enough to get the data off.

Since the drive the surged is still under warranty, I could then mail
it off to get a replacement.

Regardless, my basic question still stands... what does the DCM have
to do w/ compatibility?

Thanks.

JM
Subject: Re: How to tell if hard drive logic boards can be swapped
From: mister2u-ga on 26 Feb 2004 12:49 PST
 
I think from reading this melrom.com/files/wddiag.pdf firmware and DCM
are related,maybe reading this document and using the utility would
help.
Subject: Re: How to tell if hard drive logic boards can be swapped
From: jmorgan99-ga on 26 Feb 2004 13:02 PST
 
Possibly... but that still doesn't tell me for sure.

The problem is that there is a drive on eBay that matches everything
on my drive exactly... except for DCM.  I want to make sure I'm not
just throwing away $$$.
Subject: Re: How to tell if hard drive logic boards can be swapped
From: haversian-ga on 09 Mar 2004 20:08 PST
 
Good evening,

The short answer is "try it and see", or if the data is important,
"spend the money to take it to the pros".

The longer answer is that there is no identical controller board.  The
board on the very next drive off the assembly line after yours is
subtly different.  Basically, when the platters inside the hard drive
are made, there are defects.  Because there will always be defects in
a device intended to store trillions of bits (or in your drive's case,
about half a trillion), there has to be some way to detect them and
work around it.  The manufacturing defects are permanent and don't
spread, so finding them and not using the parts of the platter that
have defects is a reasonable strategy.  After the platters are made,
they are put into drives and tested.  When a given part of the disk
continually gives errors, the drive's firmware knows it's bad.  What
then happens is that the sector is "remapped" to some place on the
drive that is fine.

Old hard drives were addressed using CHS information (Cylinders,
heads, sectors).  This is quite old, but referred to actual physical
locations on the hard drive.  Newer hard drives use LBA (logical block
addressing), in which the LBA number has no particular relation to the
physical location on the drive where data is stored.  When the
location that a given LBA address would point to is bad, the drive's
firmware makes a note that it should use a different sector instead. 
The end result is that you buy a hard drive that is "perfect" and
works reliably, even though the platters are littered with errors.


What this means is that if you put a different controller on your old
drive, it will not know which sectors of yours are bad, and more
importantly will think some perfectly good sectors are bad.  The end
result will be that you will get read errors for all the bad sectors
on your drive, and will get scrambled data in all the files where the
controller *thinks* there are bad sectors.  That said, if "most" of
your data is good enough, this is a fairly simple way to resurrect
drives, if it works.Good evening,

The short answer is "try it and see", or if the data is important,
"spend the money to take it to the pros".

The longer answer is that there is no identical controller board.  The
board on the very next drive off the assembly line after yours is
subtly different.  Basically, when the platters inside the hard drive
are made, there are defects.  Because there will always be defects in
a device intended to store trillions of bits (or in your drive's case,
about half a trillion), there has to be some way to detect them and
work around it.  The manufacturing defects are permanent and don't
spread, so finding them and not using the parts of the platter that
have defects is a reasonable strategy.  After the platters are made,
they are put into drives and tested.  When a given part of the disk
continually gives errors, the drive's firmware knows it's bad.  What
then happens is that the sector is "remapped" to some place on the
drive that is fine.

Old hard drives were addressed using CHS information (Cylinders,
heads, sectors).  This is quite old, but referred to actual physical
locations on the hard drive.  Newer hard drives use LBA (logical block
addressing), in which the LBA number has no particular relation to the
physical location on the drive where data is stored.  When the
location that a given LBA address would point to is bad, the drive's
firmware makes a note that it should use a different sector instead. 
The end result is that you buy a hard drive that is "perfect" and
works reliably, even though the platters are littered with errors.


What this means is that if you put a different controller on your old
drive, it will not know which sectors of yours are bad, and more
importantly will think some perfectly good sectors are bad.  The end
result will be that you will get read errors for all the bad sectors
on your drive, and will get scrambled data in all the files where the
controller *thinks* there are bad sectors.  That said, if "most" of
your data is good enough, this is a fairly simple way to resurrect
drives, if it works.

If your data is valuable, your best bet is to send the drive to one of
the data recovery companies, where they will remove the platters and
place them in special machines to read them.  For drives with
(hopefully) no physical damage to the platters, the success rate is
extremely high.

Best of luck getting your data back!

-Haversian
Subject: Re: How to tell if hard drive logic boards can be swapped
From: jmorgan99-ga on 10 Mar 2004 08:38 PST
 
Hey, thanks for the answer... that's what i was looking for.  How do I
give you credit?

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