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Normalization and Orthogonal
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: nikhilr-ga List Price: $20.00 |
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26 Feb 2004 19:48 PST
Expires: 27 Mar 2004 19:48 PST Question ID: 311276 |
How do i go about showing that capital psi 2s and capital psi 2px are normalized? Orthogonal? |
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Re: Normalization and Orthogonal
From: bjornsone-ga on 05 Mar 2004 12:50 PST |
PART 1: Normalizing A vector is normalized if it has a magnitude of 1. Calculate the magnitude by taking the square root of the sum of the squares of each component Magnitude = sqrt(psi_x*psi_x + psi_y*psi_y + psi_z*psi_z ) This formula for magnitude can be applied to each of your vectors to calculate each of their magnitudes. If this magnitude already has a value of 1 then the vector has been shown to be normalized. If the magnitude is not one, then you can do the following to make it normalized: To normalize a vector just divide the original vector by the magnitude (notice that if it is already normalized, then dividing by 1 won't change the vector) normalized x component of psi= psi_x / Magnitude normalized y component of psi= psi_y / Magnitude normalized z component of psi= psi_z / Magnitude This method of normalizing can be applied to each of your vectors if they are not already normalized. PART 1: Showing Orthogonal If two vectors are orthogonal, then their dot product will be zero. To make the writing here easier I will just show how to calculate orthogonality on two vectors A and B (you can substitute in your two psi vectors instead). Each vector has an x, y, and z component. This can be written as A_x, A_y, and A_z are the three components of A and that B_x, B_y, and B_z are the three components of B. A and B are orthogonal if and only if A_x*B_x + A_y*B_y + A_z*B_z = 0 If you calculate the left side and you get zero, then you have shown that the two vectors are orthogonal. If you don't get zero, then they are not orthogonal. |
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Re: Normalization and Orthogonal
From: mathtalk-ga on 05 Mar 2004 12:59 PST |
Since this is a Physics rather than a Math question, I guessed the Customer may be asking about electronic orbitals rather than three-dimensional vectors. But your definitions for normalization and orthogonality certainly are correct for the latter context. -- mathtalk-ga |
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Re: Normalization and Orthogonal
From: bjornsone-ga on 05 Mar 2004 19:46 PST |
Oops, they were probably asking about orbitals. But there is still a lot of math behind the answer. If I assume you are dealing with electron orbitals of a hydrogen atom, the derived eigenfunctions are expressed in terms of Laguerre Polynomials. Showing the orthogonality and normalization of these is a rather painful exercise compared to the simple vectors that I was originally thinking about. I hope somebody gives you more details on this proof. |
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Re: Normalization and Orthogonal
From: mathtalk-ga on 05 Mar 2004 23:22 PST |
Actually if you know two functions/vectors are eigenfunctions/eigenvectors of a self-adjoint operator/symmetric matrix, corresponding to distinct eigenvalues, then the orthogonality property is easily established. Let's sketch the proof for (real) symmetric matrices. Let u,v be eigenvalues of a symmetric matrix A: A = A' corresponding to distinct eigenvalues: Au = bu, scalar b Av = cv, scalar c with b not equal to c. Then: b(u'v) = (u'A)v = u'(Av) = c(u'v) (b-c)(u'v) = 0 Now since b - c is nonzero, this implies u dot v = u'v = 0 so u,v are at least orthogonal. The same idea carries over with minor changes to the eigenfunctions of self-adjoint operators. One slight embellishment is the use of complex arithmetic in the (non-relativistic) Schrödinger equation (a PDE). regards, mathtalk-ga regards, mathtalk-ga |
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Re: Normalization and Orthogonal
From: saikiran_r-ga on 18 Mar 2004 00:01 PST |
Hi, I assume that you have the forms of the energy eigenfunctions for the 2-s and 2-px orbitals. If you dont, these can be obtained by either looking up some standard book or searching Google :) The 2-s orbital has a dependence on the radial coordinate alone whereas the 2-px orbital depends on the radial coordinate (r) and the angle theta. The general form of the function is psi-2-s = (constant)*(2-t)*exp(-t/2) psi-2-px = (constant)*t*exp(-t/2)*cos(theta) Normalized or not: We know that the abs(psi)-squared gives the probability of locating an electron at a location. So, if the energy eigenfunction is normalized, we must have : Integral(psi*psi) over all volume = 1.0 Orthogonality: Integral(psi1*psi2) over all volume = 0 if (psi1 != psi2) that is, integral of product of psi-2s and psi-2px over all volume is 0. Hope that helps. Saikiran |
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Re: Normalization and Orthogonal
From: mathtalk-ga on 19 Mar 2004 18:56 PST |
Hi, Saikiran_r-ga: Thanks, I think we've lost our original poster, but your Comments were of interest to me! regards, mathtalk-ga |
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