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Subject: Picking a Graduate School
Category: Reference, Education and News > Education
Asked by: kady2-ga
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Posted: 23 Apr 2002 08:09 PDT
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Question ID: 3125
I have been accepted to two grad schools and need to decide which one I should 
attend. The schools are George Mason University and Virginia Tech-Falls Church 
campus. The program is for a master's in Counseling Education with a focus of 
Community Counseling in the School of Education.

I really need to decide by this Friday.
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Subject: Re: Picking a Graduate School
Answered By: waggawa-ga on 23 Apr 2002 12:21 PDT
 
Congratulations on your acceptance!

Both VA Tech and GMU are highly regarded. They both emphasize multiculturalism 
and information technology in their counseling curricula. VA Tech generally 
scores higher than GMU in national rankings (though most of these rankings are 
for PhD programs in psychology - not exactly your intended program). 
Unfortunately, one now has to pay to view USNews rankings. However, the 
rankings aren't everything.

The program you choose should best match your priorities and what you 
ultimately want to do (without knowing your feelings on these issues, I can't 
decide for you). Some factors to consider in choosing your Master's program are 
listed below. You may want to talk with the university student services 
representatives or current students before you make your final decision.

FACTORS TO CONSIDER:

* Cost of the program 

* Associated costs, e.g. living, transport expenses, books and fees (even if 
Virginia Tech's Falls Church campus and GMU are relatively close, think of gas 
or metro expenses)

* Financial aid offered by the university (especially money you don't have to 
pay back, such as grants, scholarships and fellowships)

* Flexibility for you to keep working while studying, if desired

* Time required to complete the program (particularly, how many years the 
average student _really_ takes to complete a Masters degree at each institution)

* Flexibility of the curriculum (can you tailor the program to your specific 
career goals through additional certificates, programs, coursework; schedule 
flexibility if you need to work, etc.)

* Departmental resources (computers, labs, libraries, etc.)
Note: Virginia Tech does offer some distance learning options, but not in its 
counseling program. However both Virginia Tech and GMU integrate technology 
into their counseling Masters programs.

* Career focus of the program (What aspect of community counseling do you want 
to pursue? What aspect does each Masters program emphasize, e.g. academic 
counseling vs. mental health counseling vs. career counseling vs. marital 
counseling, etc.) VA Tech's counseling program ( http://www.chre.vt.edu/ ) 
seems to focus more on academic counseling, human resources, mental health and 
substance abuse counseling on top of their general core curriculum. Prospective 
students focus on "business, design, science, service and teaching." (The VA 
Tech CRHE graduate links don't seem to be working right now. When you can, 
check out http://www.rgs.vt.edu/grads/). You may want to look at the Human 
Development Web site in VA Tech's School of Education ( 
http://www.chre.vt.edu/HD/ ).
GMU's counseling program ( http://gse.gmu.edu/ ) focuses health and public 
policy, with a nice emphasis on multicultural communities and multidisciplinary 
studies. Health education is one of the pillars of the university as a whole.

* Potential earnings and job placement for graduates. University rankings play 
a part in this, but GMU has recently become quite aggressive in setting up 
connections and improving their reputation. Ask each university's career center 
for a listing of employers where recent grads in your domain/department 
received offers.

* Career services (career counseling, employer on-campus recruiting and other 
support for job search)
An interesting aspect of GMU's counseling program is that it is integrated with 
GMU student services. Aside from providing standard student counseling 
services -- such as time management, stress, eating disorders, etc. -- the GMU 
counseling center ( http://www.gmu.edu/departments/csdc/ )offers certificates 
through its Self-Development Center, and offers a training program for graduate 
students of the Clinical Psychology and Counseling & Development programs. This 
qualifies as supervised experience for the license.

* Quality and placement support for the required practicum and internship for 
your counseling license. (The Virginia Department of Health Professions 
requires 600 hours of supervised practicum and internship before obtaining 
their license as a Professional Counselor.)

* Faculty to student ratio, as well as size of university and of the specific 
program's student body. If you like smaller classes and communicating with your 
professors, this will be important. 
The GMU Counseling and Development Program Web page ( 
http://gse.gmu.edu/programs/counseling/ ) estimates "70 full-time faculty and 
up to 100 part-time faculty, approximately 2000 full-time and part-time 
students"

I have not found the statistics for Virginia Tech's specific program

* Program satisfaction of current students and alumni
A great thing about both GMU and VA tech are that their institutional 
evaluations are publicly available online:

Virginia Tech's Office of Academic Assessment
http://aappc.aap.vt.edu/

GMU's Office of Institutional Assessment
http://assessment.gmu.edu

GMU keeps annual records. You can read students' feelings about the GMU 
experience by year:

1999 Graduate Student Exit Survey 
http://assessment.gmu.edu/GRAD99/results.cfm?level=C&opt=GSE

2000 Graduate Student Exit Survey 
http://assessment.gmu.edu/reports/GRAD/2000/results.cfm?level=C&opt=GSE&choice=0
2000 Counseling and Development and Adult Education 
http://assessment.gmu.edu/reports/GRAD/2000/results.cfm?
level=M&opt=CNDV&choice=0

2001 Graduate Student Exit Survey 
http://assessment.gmu.edu/results/grad/2001/results.cfm?level=C&opt=GSE&choice=0
2001 Counseling and Development and Adult Education 
http://assessment.gmu.edu/results/grad/2001/results.cfm?level=M&opt=CNDV%
2CEDAE&choice=0


ADDITIONAL INFORMATION 
(How specialized can you make your degree? How specialized do you want it to 
be?)

You may be interested in fine-tuning your Masters degree with one of the 
additional graduate counseling certificates offered by the university you 
choose.

GMU certificates include:
* Post-master's Counseling Licensure (PCLC) 
* Advanced Studies in Teaching and Learning (ATLC) 
* Alternative Education (ALTC) 
* Applied Behavior Analysis (ABAC)
* Assistive Technology (ASTC) 
* Early Childhood Education (ECEC) 
* History (HISC)
* Instructional Technology (INTC) 
* Integration of Technology in Schools (ITSC)
* Literacy (LTYC)
* Math (MTHC) 
* Multimedia Development (MMDC)
* School Counseling Leadership (LSCC) 
* Science Education (SCIC)

VA Tech certificates include:
* Post-master's certificates in Marriage and Family Therapy (Graduate Program 
in Human Development)
* Graduate Certificate in Gerontology
* (applicability of some coursework towards Certificate in Family Life 
Education - a program by the National Council on Family Relations (NCFR))


You may also want to ask about opportunities to work as a research assistant in 
one of the Research centers in the Graduate School of Education

GMU research institutes include:
http://gse.gmu.edu/centersoffices/centers.htm
* The Helen A. Kellar Institute for Human disAbilities (KIHd)
* Center for Multilingual/Multicultural Education (CMME)
* Center for Restructuring Education in Science and Technology CREST)
* Center for the Advancement of Public Health (CAPH)
* Center for Outdoor Education
* Center for Recreation Resources Policy (CRRP)

Virginia Tech research institutes include:
http://www.chre.vt.edu/HD/learning.html
* Center for Gerontology ( 
http://www.rgs.vt.edu/interd/Gerontology/gerontology.html )
* Center for Interdisciplinary Studies ( http://www.cis.vt.edu/cis/cis1.html )
* Center for Public Administration and Policy ( http://www.cpap.vt.edu )
* Family Therapy Center ( http://www.chre.vt.edu/HD/ftc.html )
* Adult Day Services Center ( http://www.chre.vt.edu/HD/ads.html )
* Child Development Laboratory School ( http://www.chre.vt.edu/HD/cdl.html )

Curricula: Will the course offerings and requirements give you the kind of 
foundation you are looking for?

GMU Counseling and Development syllabus
EDCD 525: Advanced Human Growth and Development 
EDCD 604: Analysis of the Individual
EDCD 607: Advanced Theories and Techniques of Counseling
EDCD 608: Group Processes and Analyses
EDCD 610: Career and Educational Counseling
EDCD 623: Principles and Practices of Elementary School Counseling
EDCD 627: Principles and Practices of Secondary School Counseling
EDCD 644: College Student Development
EDCD 654: Counseling in Community, Agency, & Business Settings
EDCD 656: Diagnosis and Treatment Planning for Mental Health Professionals
EDCD 658: Couples and Family
EDCD 660: Counseling and Development for Special Populations
EDCD 668 - Counseling and Development Programming
EDCD 754: Practicum in Counseling and Development
EDCD 790: Internship in Counseling and Development

VA Tech Masters course sequence (School & Community Counseling Programs) 
EDCO 5204 Orientation to Professional Counseling (3) 
EDCO 5214 Theories of Counseling & Consultation (3) 
EDCO 5224 Counseling Techniques (3) 
EDCO 5234 Group Counseling (3) 
EDCO 5244 Counseling Special Client Populations (3) 
EDCO 5254 Career Development & Information Services (3) 
EDCO 5264 Appraisal in Counseling (3) 
EDCO 5284 Practicum (3) 
EDCO 5354 Counseling the Substance Abuser (3) 
EDCO 5364 School Counseling (3) or EDCO 5374 Community Counseling (3) 
EDRE 5404 Foundations of Educational Research (3) 
HD 5424 Life Span Human Development (3) 
EDCO 5614 Internship (12) 
EDCO 6534 DSM Applications in Counseling (3) 
TOTAL: 51 Hours 

ADDITIONAL LINKS
College Rankings bibliography
http://www.library.uiuc.edu/edx/rankbib.htm

Princeton Review's guide to deciding on a grad school 
http://www.review.com/graduate/gradDecideSC.cfm 

GMU - University Career Services annual report 2000-2001
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/cdc/annual.pdf

I hope this helps your decision.
Comments  
Subject: Re: Picking a Graduate School
From: poshspicelv-ga on 23 Apr 2002 09:31 PDT
 
Hi, 

I have provided some links below to help you make your decision. 

Grad school advice for psychology majors:
http://www.psywww.com/careers/options.htm

How to pick a grad school:
http://www.a2zcolleges.com/adm/schoolselect.htm

Things to consider before picking a graduate school:
http://www.embark.com/grad/choose/advice/before.asp

Peterson's Guide to Colleges has a great section on grad schools:
http://iiswinprd01.petersons.com/GradChannel/

Good luck and thanks for using google.com
Subject: Re: Picking a Graduate School
From: mvguy-ga on 23 Apr 2002 09:54 PDT
 
Another good place to check is the Princeton Review site. It provides an
abundance of information on different schools, including quite a bit of
subjective information from students. 
http://www.review.com
http://www.review.com/graduate/gradDecideSC.cfm
Subject: Re: Picking a Graduate School
From: jeffiner99-ga on 26 Apr 2002 20:30 PDT
 
Money, money, money, chance for scholarships.  Go cheap!!!!!

I went to a state undergrad.  I came out with $5000 in debt after four
years.

Then I went to Harvard Law School.  I came out with $75,000 in debt
after three years.

For what my loan payment is I could be driving a new Jaguar, have
money for clothes and go on a Hawaiian vacation for two weeks every
year.

I will be paying this until I am 68 years old.

If I don't take a job that requires 60 - 85 hours per week labor I
don't get to eat.  My first year out of school I had two dollars and
sixty two cents a day to spend after my rent and loan payment was
made.  I racked up a lot more debt that year.

I will never make back the money I spent becoming a lawyer.  7 years
of no salary plus huge debt racked up.  It has cost me almost 750,000
dollars to get into this profession.  (75,000 will turn into almost
300,000 by the time it is paid off.  I was making 60k a year before I
went to school.  Times seven years is $420,000.  Don't even let me get
started about the time value of money and the interest lost on this
total.  You do the math)

Add it up.   Think about it.  Really, really, add it up.

By the way,
a UPS truck driver makes more than I do right now if you compare his
hourly salary to my weekly paycheck.

This is not pretty.

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