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Subject: Plato's Dialogues
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: djstahl-ga
List Price: $5.00
Posted: 03 Mar 2004 00:03 PST
Expires: 02 Apr 2004 00:03 PST
Question ID: 312879
From Plato's Dialogues of Socrates, I'd like to get an exact quote and citation.

The passage is something like:  He removed the restraints of
civilization one by one from his mind, till in the end he had no more
barrier separating himself from his will than a wolf has.

I'll try $5 for the quote to start, plus an extra $5 for the Greek
word here translated as "will," and a brief discussion of that term.

Much thanks,

Doug Stahl
DJStahl12345678@cs.com
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Subject: Re: Plato's Dialogues
Answered By: juggler-ga on 03 Mar 2004 17:30 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hello.

The quote that you remember is actually from Mary Renault's historical
novel, "The Last of the Wine" (1956).

The speaker is Phaedo.  He is speaking to Alexias.

Phaedo states:

"When a man is freed from the bonds of dogma and custom, where will he
run?  To what he hates, or what he loves? ...
...And now Kritias too is running on the moutains, with no more
between him and his will than a wolf has.  For a long time now I have
watched Kritias getting loose, from the soul, if you like the word, or
whatever keeps a man on two feet instead of four.  I have gone step by
step with him, for his reason is a mirror held up to mine, till I
stood at the very edge of his conclusion."

Source: Pages 133-134, "The Last of the Wine" (1956) Mary Renault. 
Bibliographic data at the Library of Congress:
http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v3=1&DB=local&CMD=010a+56010409&CNT=10+records+per+page

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search strategy:
Google groups: "will than a wolf has"
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=1ACC4.15352%249M1.981034%40bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net
I then picked up a copy of "The Last of the Wine" at my local library
this afternoon.

I hope this helps.

Clarification of Answer by juggler-ga on 03 Mar 2004 17:30 PST
Sorry for that typo:
"...running on the MOUNTAINS..."
djstahl-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $15.00
Excellent research, and rapid.

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Subject: Re: Plato's Dialogues
From: juggler-ga on 04 Mar 2004 09:14 PST
 
Thank you very much for the tip.
-juggler

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