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Philosophy, Psychology
Category: Relationships and Society Asked by: plech-ga List Price: $3.00 |
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03 Mar 2004 07:40 PST
Expires: 02 Apr 2004 07:40 PST Question ID: 312941 |
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Re: Philosophy, Psychology
From: czh-ga on 03 Mar 2004 09:14 PST |
Fear? ~ czh ~ |
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Re: Philosophy, Psychology
From: pugwashjw-ga on 04 Mar 2004 00:42 PST |
Hi Plech. Here is the Bibles explanation of why we cannot get on. While we know that men go to war, either as nations or just plain next door neighbours, we should look further for the cause. First John 5;19 [ We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one. The wicked one is Satan the devil who has done a very good job in convincing people he does not exist. Now where is he. The Bible answers that. Revelation 12;7. And war broke out in Heaven. Michael [ Jesus ] and his angels battled with the dragon [Satan] and the dragon and its angels battled{8} but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them in heaven.{9} So down the great dragon was hurled, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth, he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. {10} and {11} state how the Lamb [ Jesus] is involved and {12} goes on " On this occasion be glad, You heavens, and you who reside in them [ the angels] Woe for the earth and the sea [ governments and peoples] because the Devil has come down to you ,HAVING GREAT ANGER, knowing he has a short period of time. Revelation does go on to say that eventually Satan will be fully done away with, but he surely is not right now. The punishment of Satan is set out in Revelation 20; 1 - 3. For a thousand years his influence will be removed, and then he is released for a "little while" to re-test those who have just enjoyed a thousand years of peace. We cannot bring it about by ourselves, no matter how hard we wish it or try. Its all there in the scriptures. And..Q.E.D... For you know this first, that no prophecy of scripture springs from any private interpretation. {21} For prophecy was at no time brought by man`s will, but men 40 of them over 16 centuries, but men spoke from God, as they were borne along by holy spirit. |
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Re: Philosophy, Psychology
From: zarquon-ga on 19 Mar 2004 12:08 PST |
There's an evolutionary reason here, plech. Our ultimate goal as living things is to live up to the Reproductive Imperative--to get the most of our types of genes out in the world as possible (look into the science of sociobiology). The upshot of this is that those different from us can (note: not "always do" but "can") present a threat--they may outcompete us, they may mingle with us and "dilute our genes," or they may simple attack and destroy us. Now, obviously this fear of difference isn't the only factor in operation; otherwise different groups would never get along at all. Nor do I believe that this is an excuse for racism--if you look around, I'm sure you'll find that people fear ~cultural~ differences more than ~racial~ ones. But I do believe it to be the root cause of the fear and hatred you point out. |
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Re: Philosophy, Psychology
From: shodan4-ga on 21 Mar 2004 10:21 PST |
I believe from my experience that we all have a "free-floating fear inside of us. We all seem to cope in different ways from womb to tomb depending on genetics,societal position. childhood experience etc. Along with fear, we seem to have an emptiness or void. People are constantly filling themselves with all sort of thins, booze, drugs, sex, eating, smoking the list goers on and on. Some people fill themselves with an "unrealistic" fear (phobia). I believe that is what constitutes prejudice. It is maintained by mans need to release aggression. Here are the defin. of the word, they volumes: 1. opinion formed beforehand: a preformed opinion, usually an unfavorable one, based on insufficient knowledge, irrational feelings, or inaccurate stereotypes 2. the holding of ill-informed opinions: the holding of opinions that are formed beforehand on the basis of insufficient knowledge 3. irrational dislike of somebody: an unfounded hatred, fear, or mistrust of a person or group, especially one of a particular religion, ethnicity, nationality, or social status 4. law disadvantage or harm: disadvantage or harm caused to somebody or something. I have seen people clinically who have all sorts of these void fillers, some ritualize their behavior, washing hands over and over. Others prefer to hate the FBI, Government, their eighth grade teacher, or any other conceived threat to their existance. It is all "very real" to them and serves a very critical function in their existance. Medication, in conjunction with therapy, seems to work best at present. As the science of genetics continues to offer new insights into the brain, I am sure it will help those who are mentally ill. I do not believe that it will make much of an impact on prejudice or mans "inate fears". The war will be about who and what criteria is used to alter behavior. One of my favorite people, Dr. Karl Menninger, once told an intern friend of mine, while on rounds at the University of Chicago Hospital, the "We should never take away a man's neurosis until we are sure we have something better to replace it." I can highly recommend the following, "The Nature of Violence" by Erich Fromm I have taken an excerpt that may be germain: Quote: "The affirmative answer to this question is old. From [Thomas] Hobbes to [Sigmund] Freud to Konrad Lorenz, the assumption has been that man is an inherently aggressive animal. This assumption was made by Freud in his concept of the life instinct and the death instinct and by Freudian psychoanalysts who did not follow Freud in this assumption but postulated the existence of a destructive instinct in man. Lorenz shares the concept of an aggressive instinct and combines it with assumptions about inherited aggressiveness rooted in the evolution of men from animals. According to the psychoanalysts and Lorenz, aggressiveness is spontaneously produced within the nervous system. It grows and accumulates and must be expressed if it is not to explode against or without a person's intention. Aggressiveness in this view does not need a special stimulus or provocation. It arises by itself and seeks and finds those stimuli which give it a chance to express itself. As Lorenz puts it in his book On Aggression, we don't have aggression because we have different political parties, but we have different political parties because we carry aggression within ourselves."Unquote If my thoughts are of help, I will be delighted. If not, I never said I knew and answers, only theories. Good Luck in your continued search!! |
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Re: Philosophy, Psychology
From: shodan4-ga on 21 Mar 2004 10:33 PST |
Hello Plech, I believe from my experience, that we all have a "free-floating fear inside of us. We all seem to cope in different ways from womb to tomb depending on genetics,societal position. childhood experience etc. Along with fear, we seem to have an emptiness or void. People are constantly filling themselves with all sort of thins, booze, drugs, sex, eating, smoking the list goes on and on. Some people fill themselves with an "unrealistic" fear (phobia). I believe that is what constitutes prejudice. It is maintained by mans need to release aggression. Here are the defin. of the word, they speak volumes: 1. opinion formed beforehand: a preformed opinion, usually an unfavorable one, based on insufficient knowledge, irrational feelings, or inaccurate stereotypes 2. the holding of ill-informed opinions: the holding of opinions that are formed beforehand on the basis of insufficient knowledge 3. irrational dislike of somebody: an unfounded hatred, fear, or mistrust of a person or group, especially one of a particular religion, ethnicity, nationality, or social status 4. law disadvantage or harm: disadvantage or harm caused to somebody or something. I have seen people clinically, who have all sorts of these void fillers, some ritualize their behavior, washing hands over and over. Others prefer to hate the FBI, Government, their eighth grade teacher, or any other conceived threat to their existance. It is all "very real" to them and serves a very critical function in their existance. Medication, in conjunction with therapy, seems to work best at present. As the science of genetics continues to offer new insights into the brain, I am sure it will help those who are mentally ill. I do not believe that it will make much of an impact on prejudice or mans "inate fears". The war will be about who and what criteria is used to alter behavior. One of my favorite people, Dr. Karl Menninger, once told an intern friend of mine, while on rounds at the University of Chicago Hospital, that "We should never take away a man's neurosis until we are sure we have something better to replace it." I can highly recommend the following article. I have taken an excerpt that may be germain: "The Nature of Violence" by Erich Fromm Quote: "The affirmative answer to this question is old. From [Thomas] Hobbes to [Sigmund] Freud to Konrad Lorenz, the assumption has been that man is an inherently aggressive animal. This assumption was made by Freud in his concept of the life instinct and the death instinct and by Freudian psychoanalysts who did not follow Freud in this assumption but postulated the existence of a destructive instinct in man. Lorenz shares the concept of an aggressive instinct and combines it with assumptions about inherited aggressiveness rooted in the evolution of men from animals. According to the psychoanalysts and Lorenz, aggressiveness is spontaneously produced within the nervous system. It grows and accumulates and must be expressed if it is not to explode against or without a person's intention. Aggressiveness in this view does not need a special stimulus or provocation. It arises by itself and seeks and finds those stimuli which give it a chance to express itself. As Lorenz puts it in his book On Aggression, we don't have aggression because we have different political parties, but we have different political parties because we carry aggression within ourselves."Unquote If my thoughts are of help,I will be delighted. If not, I never said I knew any answers, only theories. We are not at a point yet where we know what what we don't know, you are not afraid to "reach" in your thinking! Good Luck in your continued search!! |
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Re: Philosophy, Psychology
From: diethylpyrocarbonate-ga on 31 Mar 2004 17:12 PST |
I believe the answer to your question lies in the mass confusion or lack of distinction between ethical relativism and cultural relativism, and is evident in the kind of attitude you described above. My view is in opposition to ethical relativism which takes the position that moral actions ought to be judged only within a cultural context. The idea of relativism sprung from anthropological studies of diverse customs and rituals among far reaching, secluded societies, customs which could have been considered immoral to our own or other standards and yet were virtuous or righteous according to the aborigine of the culture in question. Cross cultural studies attest to this view and say that because moral behavior is so diverse across the globe, a universal moral standard that the absolutist proclaims is nonexistent. However, ethical relativists regard relativism as an easy corollary of cultural relativism, an opinion with which I don't agree. I can consistently embrace cultural relativism while reject ethical relativism. Although ethical standards arise within particular cultures and vary from culture to culture, there is still an extra cultural standard of moral judgments.According to relativists, moral judgments are possible only within a given culture, because such judgments refer only to compliance or noncompliance with that culture?s norms. But the fact is that although belief arises within cultural context, it does not imply that it can have no other basis. For example, whereas societies may differ in derivative moral judgments about marriage between close relatives, they frequently agree about more fundamental taboos such as the immorality of incest. Moreover, if there were to have been an exception to this taboo in some culture or other, I advertise that these societies would naturally become afflicted with genetic disease.An example can be seen with England?s Royal families? heartfelt experience with hemophilia. Incest therefore, is such an absolutist immorality. Ethical relativism apparently coincides with a determination to reject ethnocentrism and maintain a nonjudgmental stance toward foreign cultural practices. However, relativists are unable to condemn even such obviously immoral acts as genocide without conflicting with relativism. In fact, many relativists maintain, for the sake of consistency, that as long as it was the norm in Nazi germany to violate the human rights of jewish citizens, and as long as the consequences for doing so were positive in that society at the time, than genocide is not so apparently immoral.I sustain, however that the absence of universally accepted standards would support ethical relativism only if within a culture that has the same beliefs and agreed consequences of a particular behavior such as genocide also agreed in their ethical judgments. This situation has not been demonstrated. Minorities disagreed with the rest of the populace of Nazi germany in the extermination of Jews, for example. If ethical relativity should be embraced by every individual, it is hard to imagine a society consisting of more than an individual, and so how are we to distinguish between civility and lawlesness? What relative moral laws shall we adopt in our transnationalized, deterritorialized society in order to survive? We live in a world where cultural hybridity is a must, considering the inexpensive and rapid movement of people across the globe. Since governmental laws are there to provide justice for society and not to impose injustices on the populace, then I see a conflict between ethical relativism and cohabitation within a culturally diverse climate. Unfortunately, the mass confusion between ethical relativism and cultural relativism, as is evident in the kind of attitude you described above, will see individual differences as a threat to the moral code of a community or to the moral code of an individual, which is, of course, in my opinion, wrong. That's why.... thanks. |
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