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"A Clockwork Orange" cricism: verify plagiarism or lack thereof
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Books and Literature Asked by: fieldlily-ga List Price: $20.00 |
Posted:
04 Mar 2004 13:00 PST
Expires: 08 Mar 2004 21:31 PST Question ID: 313475 |
Does the following sentence come from a published work?: "First published as a novel in 1962, 'A Clockwork Orange' remains as meaningful-and frightening-as the day it was published." I am a writing tutor and a longtime student has turned in a suspiciously well-written essay, but I don't want to accuse her without proof, because she is generally trustworthy. I have looked online and haven't found anything, so it would be in a book or article. A satisfactory response would a) locate the sentence or b) verify that it can't be found in any widely available edition of the work, or common criticism of it. Widely available would mean anything for sale at a chain bookstore. | |
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Re: "A Clockwork Orange" cricism: verify plagiarism or lack thereof
From: pinkfreud-ga on 04 Mar 2004 14:06 PST |
The sentence does not appear in any of the more than 120,000 books indexed by Amazon.com's "Search Inside the Book" feature. Of course, that doesn't prove that the sentence is not plagiarized; Amazon's search is not all-inclusive. |
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Re: "A Clockwork Orange" cricism: verify plagiarism or lack thereof
From: apteryx-ga on 04 Mar 2004 23:25 PST |
I thought I'd take a look online too because I was curious. "Meaningful" and "frightening" do turn up together in a lot of online commentaries on the novel, as well they might, but that line or something close to it does not appear in any that I found. Having a son who is a very able, mature-sounding writer, I am rather sensitive to suspicions that if something is good, the student couldn't have written it. I realize that you know this student's work, but I also don't think that line is such a knockout that it couldn't have been delivered by someone with a pretty average vocabulary and a reasonably competent grasp of sentence construction. I don't blame you for wondering, but I do commend you for checking before questioning the student's authorship. Sounds to me like she deserves the benefit of the doubt. Just one other thought, though: have you checked prefaces and editors' introductions to the novel itself? How about what appears on the back covers of paperback editions? And how about reviews of the movie? Apteryx |
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Re: "A Clockwork Orange" cricism: verify plagiarism or lack thereof
From: juggler-ga on 05 Mar 2004 00:26 PST |
I must agree with Apteryx. The sentence doesn't strike me as something that a mediocre student couldn't write. To me, the redundant use of the word 'published' suggests that the sentence probably isn't from a book or article. Could you provide some other excerpts from the student's essay? |
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Re: "A Clockwork Orange" cricism: verify plagiarism or lack thereof
From: probonopublico-ga on 05 Mar 2004 01:48 PST |
A friend of mine purchased a thesis (allegedly written by a professor) to present for his degree at Cambridge. He then added a few pictures and stuff, to personalise it. However, it wasn't as well received as he had expected although it was good enough. Indeed, when I was at school and I needed the dough, I used to provide stuff for fellow students. I really screwed up on one occasion, a translation into Spanish, where I introduced a colloquial phrase that really impressed the teacher, whereas every one of my clients had made some deliberately silly mistakes. The lesson? Unexpected quality or the lack of it proves nothing. |
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Re: "A Clockwork Orange" cricism: verify plagiarism or lack thereof
From: fieldlily-ga on 05 Mar 2004 07:46 PST |
Hi everybody, I already tried the Amazon search and the online search, but I'm grateful for those efforts. The sentence is not spectacular, but it's stylistically unique, and publishing the whole essay (or a larger chunk) is a breach of the student's privacy. I agree with apteryx-ga that the sentence itself is not suspicious, but it is most unlikely to be duplicated in another work unless directly copied. That's why I chose it. I would appreciate not receiving further comments about the likelihood of plagiarism, etc.; without violating the student's privacy, I can't furnish enough of the essay for anyone to make that judgment accurately, and don't have time to justify all of my causes for concern. No offense, but I'm a good teacher and know what I'm doing here; I just need some research. Thank you. |
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Re: "A Clockwork Orange" cricism: verify plagiarism or lack thereof
From: politicalguru-ga on 05 Mar 2004 08:24 PST |
Dear fieldlily, Respecting your request. However, did you consider using plagiarism detectors? |
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Re: "A Clockwork Orange" cricism: verify plagiarism or lack thereof
From: lovkraft-ga on 07 Mar 2004 06:21 PST |
These guys can help you, it's what they do for a living: http://www.turnitin.com |
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Re: "A Clockwork Orange" cricism: verify plagiarism or lack thereof
From: fieldlily-ga on 08 Mar 2004 21:25 PST |
Hi, I don't know what a plagiarism detector is, but I'd be interested in finding out more about it, politicalguru-ga. Thank you. And thank you, lovkraft-ga, for the website: that's a great resource. To pafalafa-ga: thanks for the research. My concern is that the student, too savvy to use a searchable Internet source, would have copied the passage from a book, not an online source at all. This is really not a $20 question if the answer is "No, the student did not plagiarize"; a fair price would be much higher, since verifying that the source is not widely available would involve going to a bookstore or a library and perusing several books. And I have already waited too long to return the homework of a student who is likely both honest and diligent. I was hoping that, if the sentence was in fact from a published source, someone would recognize it from prior reading. So I think, in the absence of a positive response, I will de-list the question. Thanks for everybody's useful suggestions about tracking this stuff down. |
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