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Subject:
Improving desert soil for vegetation using recycled organic waste
Category: Family and Home > Gardening Asked by: arcrep-ga List Price: $6.00 |
Posted:
10 Mar 2004 15:12 PST
Expires: 09 Apr 2004 16:12 PDT Question ID: 315450 |
I am investigating the idea of growing vegetation on desert soil around Las Vegas, and propose using recycled organic waste from the city in order to improve the soil quality. How much should I be able to aquire as raw material, and final product?(I imagine this figure would be per inhabitant) How much compost material would it actually provide? - perhaps this figure could be a figure per square kilometre, at a depth of 1cm. What else would I have to add to the organic waste in order to make good soil to grow plants? (I realise that it depends upon the plant species - but an average would suffice) Are there any comparable projects I could look at for examples of the equipment, cost, time etc needed for such an operation? |
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Subject:
Re: Improving desert soil for vegetation using recycled organic waste
From: neilzero-ga on 11 Mar 2004 05:50 PST |
It appears you are thinking of planting perhaps 6 square kilometers. I suggest you try several methods at scattered locations, much smaller scale before making such a large commitment which could fail. The county agent of agriculture likely has some information and can arrange for some soil testing. Someone in the Las Vegus sewer or garbage or trash department should be able to tell you present quantities available, projections for the next few years, and have some ideas on expanding quantities if you are willing to pay several dollars per ton for the waste. It might even be possible to get the residents and bussineses to separate matteral that will improve the soil from material that is nuetral or harmful. Sewage sluge has been used for agriculture for at least a century. Heavy metals in the sluge is the main problem. Some of these are concentrated in the plants to a level that retards plant growth and makes the vegetation unsafe for humans and animals. This may be less of a problem in Las Vegus as there is less manufacturing than in most cities, perhaps. Trash has different problems. Up to half is paper, tree leaves, stcks, and plastic, which needs to be shreaded very fine, or it interfers with the plant roots. Shreding will be moderately costly. Also paper contains significant dioxin, which is dangerious to humans at one part per billion. Dioxin was likely the principle culperet in Gulf War syndrom. Water use is regulated in dry regions, and yield will be small unless you irrigate. Well water often has high mineral content that poisons the soil as soon as the 4 th year of irrigating. You can figure about one ton per cubic meter for finelly chopped trash after it is mixed with soil on the land. Six square kilometers is 60 billion square cm, so you need 60 billion grams of trash = 60,000 metric tons = 65,000 USA tons of trash to add one cm to six square kilometers. My guess is one cm is not enough for most plants. Neil |
Subject:
Re: Improving desert soil for vegetation using recycled organic waste
From: neilzero-ga on 11 Mar 2004 07:30 PST |
You seem to be thinking compost before adding to the soil. Sucessful compost heaps are about one meter by one meter by one meter with the composting 90% complete in a few weeks. Obviously you don't want to wait a few years for slow composting. All the details are moderately critical and typically it is quite labor intensive. Poor results come from too much water, too little water, too much leaves, wood, paper, plastic, sand, too little air. Too much air dries the pile and carries away heat. Internal temperature should reach about 136 degrees according to some experts. Typically the pile needs to be turned = mixed to get air to parts short on air or soggy with water. The only automated success I've heard of is for growing mushrooms. The same one meter by one meter, by one meter, but "steam" is used to kill harmful organisms stir the compost, get it up to 136 degrees f and add the right amount of water. My guess is "steam" is hot water vapor, tiny droplets of water and air at 136 degrees f Neil |
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