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Subject: Multiply Domains
Category: Business and Money > Advertising and Marketing
Asked by: workedream-ga
List Price: $3.00
Posted: 11 Mar 2004 01:57 PST
Expires: 10 Apr 2004 02:57 PDT
Question ID: 315636
We have both too domain names: GetCV.com and GetResume.com. Content of
both domains are similar if not the same. The only difference between
them is when we are using word Resume we would use word CV, or the
other way around. Knowing the rules of how the search engines are
indexing the web sites, we are facing the problem of being banned from
search engines having two almost identical sites.

Not to be banned from search engines, because of duplicated content we
were thinking of following solutions:

1. Developing one web site with both contents on first domain (ex.
www.getresume.com) and other domain name (ex. www.getcv.com)
redirecting to the first domain name.

2. Developing both web sites on both domain names, but submitting only
one domain name to search engines for indexing.

If anyone has better solution, or anyone thinks that one of these
solutions we mentioned are ok, feel free to give us your suggestions.

Thank you.
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Subject: Re: Multiply Domains
Answered By: denco-ga on 11 Mar 2004 13:18 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Howdy workedream-ga,

As a former Internet Service Provider (ISP) owner/operator I can advise
you that there is only one sane way to go with this.  Combine the sites
as soon as possible and point both domain names to the one site.

The duplicate content and search engines bans on such sites is a problem
you already know about, but you need to start making changes now to avoid
that potential ban happening to you.

By combining both sites, you free up the time you spend on maintaining two
sites, and you can then use that time in improving and increasing the content
of the new single site.

Even though the discussion is about content versus links, the point made
on this WebProWorld posting about the importance of content can't be
emphasized more.
http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?p=70309

"I've stated this before, elsewhere; however, I vote for Content as being
the most critical -- As others have stated so well, content is the reason
for being ..."

You also eliminate the possibility of people running across both sites and
holding that against you.  This WebmasterWorld posting sums this point, and
others, quite well.  The whole message thread makes for good reading.
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/4207-1-15.htm

"The negative image you are building up in the mind of you[r] visitors. When
somebody will search for 'Engine performance Porsche' for example, and your
reviews are exactly the same in both sites, whatever the design and layout
tricks you use, this searcher will see exactly the same phrases coming up
duplicated in his search results. It will be clear immediatly that there is
duplication. And believe me: this irritates all searchers. It also makes clear
your company is using tricks, which is very negative and extremely difficult
to make up for."

You do not want to do a "META refresh" redirect though, as this might
get you into some spider problems.  Instead, have your ISP/SysAdmin
point both domain names to the same site.  More on the perils of using
a META refresh appears on the NetMechanic web site.
http://www.netmechanic.com/news/vol4/promo_no15.htm

"Many webmasters use the META refresh tag to send visitors to the correct
address until everyone's links are updated.  But most don't know that innocent
use of that tag may significantly lower your page rank or even get you banned
in some search engines."

Makes sure to announce to your users what and why you have done this,
as you do not want people who are used to seeing getcv.com to all of the
sudden start seeing getresume.com and think something funny is afoot.
Something such as "In order to bring you the best, and most current
information, getresume.com and getcv.com have been combined," etc. would do.

If you are paying separate fees for hosting each site, the redundant
charge for hosting is eliminated, so there is potential costs savings.

By combining the sites, you save time, or at least are able to invest that
time into more productive endeavors such as content enhancement.  You might
also be saving money on hosting charges.  All the time, you also avoid the
potentially costly event of being banned by some search engines.

If in the future you decide that you can some with up some real content,
and not just cosmetic, differences for the two domain names, you can then
develop them as two different sites with no problem.

If you need any clarification, feel free to ask.


Search Strategy:  Personal experience, and:

Google search on: redirect "search engines"
://www.google.com/search?q=redirect+%22search+engines%22

Google search on: "two sites" "same content"
://www.google.com/search?q=%22two+sites%22+%22same+content%22

Looking Forward, denco-ga - Google Answers Researcher

Request for Answer Clarification by workedream-ga on 12 Mar 2004 02:07 PST
Thanks denco-ga for your answer. Before I confirm it (rate it), I have
just one thing for clarification. Let assume that I want to keep both
domain names with almost identical content. Would I be banned from
Google and other search engines?

Clarification of Answer by denco-ga on 12 Mar 2004 15:44 PST
Howdy workedream-ga,

The WebmasterWorld thread I referenced in my Answers has several
posts on exactly that point.
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/4207-1-15.htm

"You're getting warnings here from some people (including me) who have been
burned because they put up duplicate content and their sites got dropped
completely. Some of us (like me) did it accidentally (through lack of
expertise and/or technical foul-up), and some tried it to increase exposure,
but the end result was the same. If you want to try this, then please do it
very carefully and incrementally, all the time remembering that at some point
the search engines may well drop both sites, and then your traffic will drop a
little or a lot, depending on which search engine it is, and how you rated in
that engine. It 'would be nice' to be able to do what you seem to be intent on
finding a way to do, but the search engines do not like it and call it spam.
You can try, sure, but you are playing with fire here."
...
"Google, or whatever search engine in the near future, will discover identical
content. No trick will indefinitely mislead the search engines. The penalty
will be severe for your sites, traffic and credibility. Rebuilding this up will
cost you a lot in money and time."

So yes, if you keep both domain names and both web sites and have lots of
duplicitous content, I think there is a good chance you will eventually get
banned or penalized on one or more search engines.  It's not a certainty,
but also not worth taking the chance.

Looking Forward, denco-ga - Google Answers Researcher
workedream-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $1.00
Thank you very much. This was more than expected.

Comments  
Subject: Re: Multiply Domains
From: rajjesh-ga on 11 Mar 2004 05:35 PST
 
I would have positioned the links, words and content (though same)
differently in each site, design it differently (layout).

If you have same content logically, the weight (importance, value) for
search engine would be same for both the pages, irrespective of the
domain, but if you change the design, I feel it would be treated
differently :)

(there are lot of theories, on placements of keywords near links and so forth)

My humble 2 cents.. I could be wrong :)
Subject: Re: Multiply Domains
From: denco-ga on 18 Mar 2004 09:20 PST
 
My pleasure workedream-ga,

Much thanks for the 5 star rating and the tip.

Looking Forward, denco-ga - Google Answers Researcher
Subject: Re: Multiply Domains
From: tillintallin-ga on 16 May 2004 13:23 PDT
 
Hi there,

it was really good reading your posts so far and it kind of opened my
eyes to this subject. I used to use this technique to run the same
website in two languages. Same layout, same pictures, different Texts
/ Alt-Tags / ...
I didn't have any bad feelings about this and never really encoutered
any spam-ban... at least as far as I know.
But now one of my clients brings in this new problem: One organization
that used to be two organizations is now +/- sharing the same website
- but of cause they both insist that their domain shall not be "taken
down" for the sake of not beeing a spam-suspect. What can I do? I
already saw some kind of downgrading at google... and I don't want to
know, what could happen next...

...any adwise?

...maybe I should run the one site through a frameset, that shows the
pages of the other site...?

greetings, Till.
Subject: Re: Multiply Domains
From: denco-ga on 16 May 2004 16:32 PDT
 
Howdy tillintallin-ga,

I would suggest a compromise.  The two (now one) organizations, just like
the "tribes" on the television "reality" show "Survivor" do when their two
tribes merge, should pick a new name for the overall new organization, at
least for the web site.  The new site points out that the new site is the
result of the other two merging, and anyone with links to the two old sites
should be contacted so as to update the link to the "new" site.  I would
avoid "tricks" like the frameset stuff, because a search engine might catch
it, and there you go.

As for your "two languages" site, I think most search engines know how to
differentiate those from true duplicate (in the same language) content sites.

Looking Forward, denco-ga - Google Answers Researcher

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