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"Why didn't God have more kids?"
Category: Relationships and Society > Religion Asked by: nautico-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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14 Mar 2004 08:07 PST
Expires: 13 Apr 2004 09:07 PDT Question ID: 316577 |
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Re: "Why didn't God have more kids?"
Answered By: tutuzdad-ga on 14 Mar 2004 09:56 PST Rated: |
Dear nautico-ga; What a lovely question coming from a very thoughtful 12-year-old. You failed to mention if the child has a Christian upbringing but presumably he does or is at least knowledgeable enough the issues to ask reasonable question for his age. In the same manner than I will answer your question in a way that a young Christian would understand ? again, assuming that he believes in the message of the Bible - rather than trying to justify God?s reasoning by applying it to some modern day political or social explanation. The answer is really quite simple and I will emphasize where necessary throughout: Why only one child? Let me first address the reasons why I believe that God had only one ?child?. First and foremost, there is no experience known to humankind that is more horrible than the death of one?s only child. In John 3:16, the Bible tells us: ?For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.? JOHN 3:16 http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn003.html#16 There was definitely a significant purpose in having only one child because God?s willingness to surrender this single precious offspring is indicative of his measure of love for mankind. Now, if one thinks about it for a moment, God DID have other children, created in much the same way Jesus was created ? their names were Adam and Eve. Genesis 1:26 ?And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.? They were not equals with Jesus however. Adam?s creation was a divine creation out of nothingness. God raised him from the dust to be the first of many men. Jesus on the other hand was BORN of man but MADE by God. In this way Jesus was God?s ONLY TRULY BEGOTTEN SON. Jesus? kindred relationship with mankind is much closer than Adam?s, and being a Son of God allowed God to manifest Himself in the physical person of Jesus, much like any child closely resembles his father. Adam was created for the purpose of being the biological father of mankind and Eve the biological mother of mankind. Jesus was created for the purpose of being the Son of man and at the same time, the Son of God. At the moment Jesus would be crucified, both God and Man would lose a beloved son and truly experience the power of such a meaningful and terrific sacrifice. Why a man and not a woman? In biblical times women were not leaders ? neither politically, socially or spiritually. Throughout the Bible prophecy proclaimed that man would be given a King, a Prince, a , leader, a teacher, a Savior and a rabbi. These are all traditionally positions held my men and a woman could not have fulfilled the prophecy. The Bile repeatedly tells us of the messiah?s positions (positions of a man): Revelation 12:5 says ?And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron?. It is clear that the Bible refers to the necessity of a masculine leader capable of reigning over a Kingdom. Colossians 1:18 says that Jesus Christ "is the head of the body, the church." ? again the position of a man. Ephesians 1:22-23 says that God "gave Him to be the head over all things to the church? ? once again, religious leaders were always men and the heads of household were also men. So you see, it was not only necessary for the messiah to be a male, but imperative because of the traditional society and practices of Biblical times. These examples are numerous and found throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. It might be fun for this curious young man to begin a project to see just how many such references there really are. So you see, in explaining the issue to a twelve year old, the answer is quite simple. Below you will find that I have carefully defined my search strategy for you in the event that you need to search for more information. By following the same type of searches that I did you may be able to enhance the research I have provided even further. I hope you find that that my research exceeds your expectations. If you have any questions about my research please post a clarification request prior to rating the answer. Otherwise, I welcome your rating and your final comments and I look forward to working with you again in the near future. Thank you for bringing your question to us. Best regards; Tutuzdad ? Google Answers Researcher INFORMATION SOURCES The Holy Bible SEARCH STRATEGY SEARCH ENGINES USED: Google ://www.google.com SEARCH TERMS USED: Jesus, Son, bible | |
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Re: "Why didn't God have more kids?"
From: politicalguru-ga on 14 Mar 2004 08:33 PST |
Dear Nautico, It's a big question that has to do with belief as it has to do with other elements (such as societal structure). "We are all God's sons and daughters" could be one answer, which is probably the oen you'll get if you'll ask a local priest that question. God chose His/Her son to deliver us the message. Another answer, is that the "son" allegory should be taken at that level, not in the literal level. In other words, God's "son" is an allegory for His closeness and divine inspiration. A third answer, regarding other children of God, could come from the social realm (and may not fit an innocent 12-year-old): the society at Jesus' times, and moreover when the Bible was written and expanded, was paternalistic. Such a society just did not let a woman receive the same opportunities as Jesus: not by learning (Jesus was after all, a teacher and a scholar); not by having a profession (unless you count Magdalene's); not by being regarded as someone whose opinion and theological analysis matters. The Talmud refers to women as "fickle minded". The story of Bruria is the one of a Jewish woman of her time who tried to protest against a male-dominated religion: "To prove her wrong, Bruria?s husband persuaded a yeshiva student to seduce his wife. Bruria ultimately succumbed to the student?s advances. When she discovered what her husband had done, she killed herself." (SOURCE: Women of the Bible on Stage, By Susan Josephs <http://wwwnew.towson.edu/theatremfa/artists/gablev2.html> ). Unlike Jesus, nobody calls her "The Daughter of God", although she was sacrificied by a society not ready for a religious change (maybe also because in Judaism, God is not something so concrete as being able to have a "son", which they regard as idolising). |
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Re: "Why didn't God have more kids?"
From: pugwashjw-ga on 14 Mar 2004 19:55 PST |
Hi Tutuz, Good to see you using scriptures to back your comments. I`m impressed. But would you mind me pointing out something about your comment where you say that women are rarely mentioned. Matthew 1; 1 to 16 gives the lineage from Abraham to Jacob, with Jacob being the husband of Mary, Jesus` mother. Now at Luke 3;23 to 38 is the lineage of Jesus , reversed, from God to Jesus himself. There at 23, it states that Jesus was the Son of Joseph, and grandson of He`li. This is actually the lineage of Mary, and He`li was Mary`s natural father. She was a direct descendant of David, of the tribe of Judah. The reference that ...Joseph, son of He`li, was written in this style because of the paternal system of those days. When Joseph married Mary, he would be regarded by He`li as his son, in actual fact, son-in-law. Mary was very important in God`s scheme of things, but was never intended to be "worshipped" as we see today. Need I say where. Jesus loved his mother dearly and when he was dying, asked John to look after her. Mary was not the "Mother of God" simply because Jesus is not God. He has his qualities. The scripture at First Peter 2;21-23. ...leaving you a model for you to follow his steps closely...Jesus, following his fathers [God`s] direction, showed us how we should behave. |
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Re: "Why didn't God have more kids?"
From: pugwashjw-ga on 14 Mar 2004 19:57 PST |
Hi Tutuz ...again... Made a blue... Jacob was the father of Joseph, who was the husband of Mary... |
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Re: "Why didn't God have more kids?"
From: probonopublico-ga on 14 Mar 2004 21:33 PST |
How does anyone KNOW for sure that he didn't have more kids? Record keeping was a bit hit and miss back in those days. |
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Re: "Why didn't God have more kids?"
From: pugwashjw-ga on 15 Mar 2004 00:29 PST |
Because it would negate the value of losing [ God`s] ONLY son. From a logical point of view, a parent with a number of children, who loses one of them, is understandably grief stricken, but can be comforted by the remaining children. A parent of only ONE child has NOTHING left. The loss is just so much more. |
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Re: "Why didn't God have more kids?"
From: mcwalla-ga on 16 Mar 2004 06:57 PST |
IIRC Carl Jung posited in "Answer to Job" that Christ was actually God's second son. I'd make your 12 year old neighbor read "Answer to Job" before he asked any more questions. Still an intriguing conundrum. |
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Re: "Why didn't God have more kids?"
From: probonopublico-ga on 16 Mar 2004 07:20 PST |
Surely, at the time of conception, God would not have recognised that Jesus was going to be crucified? So, Pugwashjw, I can't accept that this was all carefully pre-planned, as you have implied in your Comment. In any event, many of Jesus's contemporaries did not accept that he was actually the Son of God ... Indeed, I understand that it was St Paul who cobbled it all together, long after the event. Of course, I'm not very hot on this subject, but I am sure that someone can enlighten me. Thanks. |
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Re: "Why didn't God have more kids?"
From: tutuzdad-ga on 16 Mar 2004 08:00 PST |
Not so. "God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things" (1 Joh 3:20). The Book of Psalms, written by the hand of King David and inspired by the Holy Spirit some 1000 YEARS BEFORE the crucifixtion took place and 400 YEARS BEFORE crucifixtion was ever used, vividly predicted it! Read Psalm Chapter 122 http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?passage=PS+22&language=english&version=KJV Some time before 500 B. C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. Read Daniel 9:25-26 In the fifth century B. C. a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave--thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law--and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Read Zechariah 11:12-13). Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). If these primitive men's words were inspired by God. They would not have known these things unless God Himself new it first. tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: "Why didn't God have more kids?"
From: probonopublico-ga on 16 Mar 2004 13:24 PST |
Hi, Tutuzdad I've taken up all your references and YES they do check out. But, when I am out on one of my daily walks, I often meet a lovely old boy called Charlie. Charlie is a Jehovah's Witness who has got an answer for everything. Unfortunately, Charliue doesn't have the same set of answers as my friend, Michael, who is a Jew. Or Arun, another friend, who's a Hindu. Or Abdul, another friend, who's a Muslin. So, who to believe? They can't all be right, can they? |
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Re: "Why didn't God have more kids?"
From: nautico-ga on 16 Mar 2004 14:11 PST |
Yes, it's a conundrum, and it's not terribly productive to apply earthly logic in analyzing faith based premises or phenomena that arise from those premises. |
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Re: "Why didn't God have more kids?"
From: tutuzdad-ga on 16 Mar 2004 15:04 PST |
(I've re-posted this down here in the comment section for continuity sake) For me it isn?t a problem at all. Perhaps all of these beliefs CAN be right to some extent ? and, perhaps none of them entirely, at least where interpretation is concerned. Even my own interpretation of my religious belief might be in error. I certainly hope not though, and I sincerely hope you feel the same way about yours. I won?t begin to suggest or debate that one belief is more correct than another, but I will point out what I DO KNOW, for your consideration. God wants us to believe without question His plan for us ? that?s called faith: Ephesians 2:8 8 ?For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God? Faith comes in many forms: Acts 24:14 14 ?But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets? God doesn?t want us to denounce anyone else?s belief, even if we don?t agree with it. This is CRYSTAL CLEAR in the Bible, so I?m not about to enter into that debate with anyone: Read Romans Chapter 14 carefully: ?Now accept the one who is weak in faith, not for passing judgment on his opinions. One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables. The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person regards one day above another, another regards every day. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. For it is written, "AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME, AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD." So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.? This scripture is not about whether or not it is right or wrong to eat meat. No?Its about the various denominations and beliefs in this world and how we are not to judge one another ? our hands are full perfecting our own observation of religion let alone examining one that we don?t practice. It?s also about sin, and the fact that if you, faithful in your own belief, truly believe something is a sin, (not wearing a yarmulke in the temple - judaism, not washing before prayer - muslim, etc) then for YOU it ?is? a sin. Who am I then to say that these practices are right or wrong, founded or unfounded, wise or foolish, when my belief does not require me to do either of those things? God clearly says we should not ? so I shall not. That?s pretty much it in a nutshell isn?t it? Plain and simple. That?s all I have friends. I?d welcome any of you to post your own question on Google Answers if you like. I?ll be watching for you. Regards; Tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: "Why didn't God have more kids?"
From: pugwashjw-ga on 17 Mar 2004 05:15 PST |
Hi Tutuz. Some very good comments. But if a scripture in the Bible says " do not do that" like carve icons, worship bible characters whom the bible gives no credence, or add or remove text,[Deuteronomy 4;2] anyone or any organization, is doing the wrong thing. They will have to answer for their actions...to God. Second Peter 3;9..but HE is patient with you, because HE does not desire any to be destroyed, but desires all to attain to repentance. Bit of a warning here. Change or be destroyed. Just how really does not matter. but how we obey God does. That means that no matter how good people are, if they are not worshipping God, and only God, how God wants, they will be destroyed. What was the outcome for all the children of those who perished in the flood? And what of the close relatives of the wives of Noah`s sons. They could not have been that bad or else Noah would not have let his sons marry the [ three] daughters. |
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Re: "Why didn't God have more kids?"
From: hans51-ga on 02 Apr 2004 21:59 PST |
God's creation is huge - all you see and more. To thinks of mankind being all of God's family is too limited and never opens for the truth. Every 12 old is a man with a young body - Jesus was similar age and old enough to go beyond such basic questions and search for God. Every 12 year old can - sometimes more than old business men. Why a son on earth and no daughter ? Because God's first born loved his wife and wanted to do the dangerous and difficult work alone. men and women are made to compliment each other - never to comepete. For that reason Jesus and his wife ( the one in heaven ) shared work and responsibility. In every family on earth it is usually the first, the oldest, the strongest son of all children of any father and mother who starts first to help his parents if problems occur with the other children. Jesus as God's first born was the oldest and most loving because most experienced among all creation of mankind. The same nature of protecting all girls and women is within each and every normal man on earth, it is part of divine nature of mankind. http://www.kriyayoga.com/fairytales/teardrops.html To think and understand God, his first son and all mankind on earth only is possible on direct context with all creation, with all mankind on earth AND beyond. Then you see the importance of being a strong young man even if body is young - it is but the heart that counts, and the power of love never depends on physical age of heart but on spiritual age of innermost being using that body. Jesus' love for all mankind is simple to understand because all humans on earth are his children - children of God because He does all for his father and hence he also gave all his children to his father - for the joy and happiness of Godfather. So God has many while having one only. is that many as we are enough for now ? I think so if i look at the number and quantity of all problems the many children made and still make. At similar age than the source of this question above jesus was strong enough to grow far above and beyond the limited love of "adults" on earth. Other young man - younger in their body or older - can do the very same - hence they start to ask questions beyond intellect and need answers form God. Ask God and when you are ready to fully absorb all answer in your own divine love - then God can answer such questions directly ! To all. But God's answers can only be absorbed in full by a truly loving heart - else the rivers and lakes may overflow once more. |
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Re: "Why didn't God have more kids?"
From: sfxmystica-ga on 06 Apr 2004 12:19 PDT |
This one might create quite a controversy and perhaps be offensive to many ... When jesus said he was the son of God, he didn't mean that God had given birth to him or whatever. He meant what I would mean if I said, "I am the son of God. The lord is my father." The fact is, its us human beings who have made Jesus into another "God". Now for the REAL controversy ... Islam is nothing but the correction of christanity. Ever wondered why you don't see any statues or movies or pictures of Prophet Muhammad?? He realised that people would make him into another Jesus kind of God and that is why he FORBID that any such things be made of him after his death. I know many people might take offense at this and think that I am delibrately doing this. The fact is, I beleive that religion is just a guide on how to live life. And the men who gave us these guides where great compassionate LEADERS. They were just human beings. Period. Just as God doesn't play dice with the world, he has better things to do than procreate. :) |
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Re: "Why didn't God have more kids?"
From: muhamed-ga on 25 Jul 2004 05:00 PDT |
God doesnot have any kids at all;as the HOLY QURAN says 112. Al-Ikhlas : Absoluteness In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One! Allah, the eternally Besought of all! He begetteth not nor was begotten. And there is none comparable unto Him. |
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Re: "Why didn't God have more kids?"
From: probonopublico-ga on 25 Jul 2004 07:46 PDT |
Wow, Muhamed ... So, who was this guy who claimed that he was the Son of God? Or did he? Maybe that was something cooked up by St Paul? |
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