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Subject: Women in Universities in France in 1850
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference
Asked by: mcwalla-ga
List Price: $5.00
Posted: 15 Mar 2004 15:38 PST
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Question ID: 317064
I need the name of at least one university or college that admitted
women in France in 1850.  The  name of several colleges will be cool.

Clarification of Question by mcwalla-ga on 15 Mar 2004 16:14 PST
I'd also appreciate sources, so I can extend the research. Thanks

Clarification of Question by mcwalla-ga on 16 Mar 2004 06:54 PST
Thanks - a negative answer is an answer, so I think leli-ga has
provided what I need; I need to find the time to go through the
sources provided in that answer.  I'm very grateful. (though if anyone
else has more to add, I'm eager for that too.

The source provided by tutuzdad-ga looks very good, but I have to
wonder when I read the paragraph quoted below.  I don't have the
source handy, but I recall at least one, and I believe two separate
instances of women attending college at the University of Gottingen.

<quote> In Germany, the admission of women to university studies as
regular students occurred thirty years later than in the countries
analysed above. The duchy of Bade was the pioneer, regularising the
registration of women in 1900 (the first enrolment took place at the
University of Heidelberg in April 1900) and opting without ambiguity
for coeducation at university level. From 1900 to 1909, the federal
States successively recognised the right of women to higher education.
The Prussian universities came at the end, when a ministerial decree
of 18 August 1908 legalised the status of regular women students in
all the universities in </quote>
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Subject: Re: Women in Universities in France in 1850
Answered By: leli-ga on 16 Mar 2004 10:02 PST
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
Thanks for saying "a negative answer is an answer", even though it's
not the one you hoped for.

I looked further and found a couple more resources for you, but it is
still clear there was no university education for Frenchwomen in the
1850s.


Julie Daubié passed her bac in 1861, allowing her to enrol at the
University of Lyon, but at first she wasn't allowed to attend classes
and she didn't get her degree until 1871.

The article I cite below (by Lécuyer) says the first French university
to welcome (accueillir) a female student was the University of Lyon in
1863. This must have been Julie Daubié, though I found nowhere stating
this explicitly.

Paris was the next university to admit women, starting with Emma Chenu in 1867. 

You'll find more information on higher education for women in France here:

"Une nouvelle figure de la jeune fille sous la IIIe République : l'étudiante"
by Carole LÉCUYER 
http://clio.revues.org/document437.html

See also
Julie Daubié
http://netia59.ac-lille.fr/dkgs/0595503L/julie_daubie.htm


I also found a reliable outline of developments in 19th century
education in France, including the relevant legislation.

"Le systeme scolaire et universitaire de la IIIeme Republique"
Document prepared by David Colon, professor at the "Institut d'Etudes
Politiques de Paris".
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/david.colon/Sciences-Po/ecole.pdf

A "Petite chronologie de l'enseignement supérieur féminin" is at the very end.

========


I am also adding a version of my original comment. 

From the 1860s on, a few women went to university after managing to
get a special dispensation. Several of them studied medicine.

"Dans les années 1860-1880, et à coup de dérogations, quelques rares
pionnières tentent cependant l?entrée dans les universités, tout
particulièrement dans le cadre des études de médecine."
http://www-heb.univ-littoral.fr/rii/Docs/R%E9sum%E9sducolloque1.pdf

Madeleine Brès, France's first woman doctor, took the bac in 1866,
after a dispensation from the Empress Eugénie.
David Colon suggests the minister for education, Duruy, played a part in this.

This site has a useful brief history of education for girls in France:
http://www.planning-familial.org/themes/theme14-histoireFemmes/fiche01Precision02.htm


=========


I enjoyed researching this question. If I can help you any further,
please just ask, and I'll do my best.

Best wishes - Leli



The WordReference site is useful for French vocabulary:
http://wordreference.com/index.htm

And there's rough help with translation here:
://www.google.co.uk/language_tools?hl=en

Search terms:

enseignement supérieur université universités
femmes féminin étudiante étudiantes
19ème xixème 19e siècle

Julie Daubié
Madeleine Brès
Emma Chenu

Victor Duruy
mcwalla-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $1.00
Courteous, professional, I'll definitely use this service again.

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Subject: Re: Women in Universities in France in 1850
From: tutuzdad-ga on 15 Mar 2004 17:16 PST
 
This is as close as I could get. Maybe someone else will have better luck:

?In France, the movement of women towards the universities got
underway in 1861, when a young French woman passed her baccalauréat
exam in Lyon. However, the theoretical right of access to higher
education dates only from 1880?The other French universities receiving
an influx of foreign women students were those in Montpellier, Nancy,
Grenoble and Toulouse, which were also the most sought after by
foreigners, both male and female.?
STUDENT MIGRATIONS AND THE FEMINISATION OF EUROPEAN UNIVERSITIES
http://clio.ens.fr/revues/AHI/articles/english/tiko.html


regards;
tutuzdad-ga
Subject: Re: Women in Universities in France in 1850
From: leli-ga on 16 Mar 2004 00:34 PST
 
I'm afraid it's unlikely we'll be able to find a French university or
college in 1850 with even one female student.

There was no provision for girls to go to high school, let alone
college, until 1867.

From the 1860s on, one or two women went to university after managing
to get a special dispensation.

This site mentions a few rare female pioneers between 1860-1880.
http://www-heb.univ-littoral.fr/rii/Docs/R%E9sum%E9sducolloque1.pdf

As tutuzdad says, the first Frenchwoman to take the bac (high school
graduation examination) passed it in 1861, but she had to study alone
as there were no high schools for girls. (She had had ten years to
prepare while she waited for permission to take it.)
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%E9minisme

The next woman to get dispensation for the bac took it in 1866.

This site has a brief history of education for girls in France:
http://www.planning-familial.org/themes/theme14-histoireFemmes/fiche01Precision02.htm

Rough translation here:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.planning-familial.org%2Fthemes%2Ftheme14-histoireFemmes%2Ffiche01Precision02.htm&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

Best wishes - Leli
Subject: Re: Women in Universities in France in 1850
From: leli-ga on 18 Mar 2004 08:27 PST
 
Thank-you, mcwalla!

Good luck with your research - Leli

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