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2-player strategy numbers game
Category: Sports and Recreation > Games Asked by: mkguru-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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17 Mar 2004 21:44 PST
Expires: 16 Apr 2004 22:44 PDT Question ID: 317855 |
I am trying to find the complete rules to a numbers game I recall learning and playing in 1982/1983 timeframe. I thought it was called "underwhelm", but that could be wrong. In general it took two players, and each would state their number, taking turns, and at a certain point, a player lost that round if something happened. As I remember, each successive number had to be lower than the previous number. Again not so sure. What I do know, it was quick, and easy to play, required plenty of strategy, and did not require any paper/pencil to write down - it was simply a fast paced oral numbers game. | |
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Re: 2-player strategy numbers game
Answered By: pinkfreud-ga on 17 Mar 2004 22:53 PST Rated: ![]() |
The game of "Undercut," created by Douglas Hofstadter and Robert Boeninger, is a great way to pass some time while waiting in line with friends, or in other circumstances where one wishes to keep the mind alive for brief periods. The game appears in the chapter "Undercut, Flaunt, Pounce, and Mediocrity: Psychological Games with Numbers" in Hofstadter's book "Metamagical Themas." I believe the material was also published in "Scientific American" in the early 1980s. I've gathered a few good links for you. If you are a registered user of Amazon.com, you can "Look Inside the Book" to read about "Undercut" in Hofstadter's own words: Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0465045669/ref=sib_vae_pg_700/102-7310719-0732914?%5Fencoding=UTF8&keywords=game%20of%20undercut&p=S0KA&twc=18&checkSum=zPQ0Fz8d5U%2B823vRgTMTX720jvMOLqNByWb9POSbvB0%3D#reader-link If the link above doesn't function, please try this one: http://tinyurl.com/2nzfs Here's an interesting essay that discusses strategy in playing "Undercut" (starting about halfway down the page): Urticator: Game Theory http://www.urticator.net/essay/2/218.html A computer version of "Undercut": Math Forum: Computer Undercut http://mathforum.org/mam/96/undercut/ Google Web Search: "douglas hofstadter" + "game" + "undercut" ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22douglas+hofstadter%22+game+undercut Thanks for an enjoyable question! I hadn't thought about "Undercut" for years. If anything is unclear, or if a link doesn't work for you, please request clarification; I'll cheerfully offer further assistance as needed. Best regards, pinkfreud |
mkguru-ga
rated this answer:![]() Wow, what fast turnaround, and completely what I was thinking of. Great job. |
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Re: 2-player strategy numbers game
From: research_help-ga on 18 Mar 2004 07:33 PST |
I love prisoner dilemma type strategy games, but I'm wondering if someone can explain this one to me. Why would a player pick a number other than 1? The worst you can do is tie using this method. Could someone explain what aspect of the game I am missing? |
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Re: 2-player strategy numbers game
From: bkons-ga on 10 Jan 2005 15:02 PST |
I believe the instructions to the game were not stated quite accurately. A player receives the sum of both players' scores only when selecting a value that is EXACTLY ONE LESS than the opponent's choice. Example: Player A chooses 5, Player B chooses 2. Result: A gets 5, B gets 2. A picks 4, B picks 4, result: both get 4 A picks 4, B picks 3, result: A gets 0, B gets 7. That's why choosing 1 everytime would not work. Try those rules. |
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