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Buckminster Fuller on the Kepler Conjecture.
Category: Science > Math Asked by: pauloney-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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17 Mar 2004 22:48 PST
Expires: 16 Apr 2004 23:48 PDT Question ID: 317876 |
In Oct 98, in the magazine Nature, Neil A. Sloane of AT&T Research stated that Buckminster Fuller claimed a proof of the famous Kepler's Conjecture in his book Synergetics, back in 1975. To quote Sloane in detail: "Buckminster Fuller claimed to have a proof in 1975, but his arguments amount to a description of the face-centred-cubic packing rather than a proof of it minimality". You can see the article here: http://www.research.att.com/~njas/doc/kepler.pdf The question is: Where in the book, does Fuller makes the claim ? Details, please, page and line numbers. | |
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Re: Buckminster Fuller on the Kepler Conjecture.
From: saikiran_r-ga on 17 Mar 2004 23:41 PST |
Look at section numbers 222.00 - 222.53. I think you'll find the answer there. Saikiran |
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Re: Buckminster Fuller on the Kepler Conjecture.
From: pauloney-ga on 18 Mar 2004 11:20 PST |
I have been there many times, and just went back and re-read all the pages, you suggested and sure not, I can't see a place where he claims to have the proof of the result in there. I see he using the result, but no claim of a proof ... so try harder, or if you know where it is, send me the page and the line where the claim is made. Paulo de Souza |
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Re: Buckminster Fuller on the Kepler Conjecture.
From: markj-ga on 18 Mar 2004 13:55 PST |
saikiran -- I'm sorry for possibly raising your expectations of a quick answer from me. I assumed that you didn't have access to the book and that a layman could find what you are seeking with the help of a good index and some facility in visually scanning a text. I now see that this large book has no index and is geared to readers more mathematically literate than I. I hope that another researcher can help you. markj-ga |
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Re: Buckminster Fuller on the Kepler Conjecture.
From: markj-ga on 18 Mar 2004 13:59 PST |
pauloney -- I apologize for confusing your screen name with that of the commenter in this thread. markj-ga |
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Re: Buckminster Fuller on the Kepler Conjecture.
From: markj-ga on 18 Mar 2004 15:55 PST |
pauloney -- I have found some information that might be very useful to you, although I do not have the mathematical background to evaluate it. Below is a link to an Amazon.com page related to a book called "Kepler's Conjecture: How Some of the Greatest Minds in History Helped Solve One of the Oldest Math Problems in the World," by George G. Szpiro. You may be aware that Amazon.com now offers a search feature that allows one to look for references to specified search terms in the text of certain books in its inventory. I employed such a search of the Amazon.com site using the terms "Kepler Conjecture" and "Fuller." Among the results was an excerpt from the Szpiro book that provides an enlightening discussion of Buckminster Fuller's "claim" of proving the Kepler Conjecture in his book, "Synergetics." You should be taken to the first page of the excerpt by clicking on this link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0471086010/ref=sib_vae_pg_141/002-4020173-6346469?%5Fencoding=UTF8&keywords=fuller&p=S049&twc=14&checkSum=eJum8B515sDFi2OC1H95OtA0JqThh1fpQ6c40oRShps%3D#reader-link The relevant excerpt continues for several pages, which you can access by clicking on "Next Page." I do not have the background to evaluate this discussion, but you may find it useful,and indeed it may answer your question. In essence, Szpiro concludes that Fuller merely repackaged old ideas and invented new terms without breaking any new ground. Fuller's "repackaging" of the problem may explain why there is no express "claim" and indeed no mention of Kepler, as far as I can determine. Szpiro says that the references of the "packing of spheres" are scattered throughout the book, but it appears that much of Fuller's discussion of the topic is concentrated in Sections 410-420, beginning on page 108 of Synergetics. If you have any problem with the long URL I have provided, please let me know and I will walk you through the process of conducting your own search. I hope this information helps you. If you believe that this research has answered your question, I would be happy to post the information in the "Answer" box. markj-ga |
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Re: Buckminster Fuller on the Kepler Conjecture.
From: pauloney-ga on 18 Mar 2004 17:09 PST |
MarkJ, I agree with you that this is yet another quote that Fuller claimed the proof of the Kepler conjecture (or closest packing in Fuller's words) but there is very good indication that Szpiro is just "repeating" what Neil Sloane said in the aforementioned publication ... and we still don't have the Holy Grail that is - where did Fuller make such claim ? If he ever made it ... |
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