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Irish Traditional Sayings - 'As black as Toal's Cloak'
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: faucon-ga List Price: $30.00 |
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18 Mar 2004 03:53 PST
Expires: 17 Apr 2004 04:53 PDT Question ID: 317909 |
Irish Traditional Sayings 'As black as Toal's Cloak' Question - What is the exact origin of this saying? (Specifically, I want to know who Toal was. I would like to find a source describing the provenance of the saying, and read about it myself. I would like to see a use of the saying in context.) |
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Re: Irish Traditional Sayings - 'As black as Toal's Cloak'
From: justaskscott-ga on 18 Mar 2004 07:01 PST |
I'm doubtful that this is the real saying: it appears only in one list, repeated on several web pages. If this were the true saying, it would surely appear elsewhere. Perhaps it is not even a saying at all -- but I'll leave that to someone with more information. |
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Re: Irish Traditional Sayings - 'As black as Toal's Cloak'
From: denco-ga on 18 Mar 2004 09:44 PST |
It might be rhyming slang for "[as] black as [a] coal," but even then, it is not a common use. I agree with justaskscott-ga that it doesn't appear to be all that much of a traditional saying. Google UK doesn't show at all. |
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Re: Irish Traditional Sayings - 'As black as Toal's Cloak'
From: crabcakes-ga on 18 Mar 2004 10:14 PST |
Hi faucon, like others before me, I was unable to find the source the saying "Toal's cloak" I did find several references to it, but no source of origin! Reference only, found near the middle of the page: As tough as a wheel string. As mim as a dog without his tail. As black as Toal's cloak As bad as Barrington's blood hound to us This was found, just under a recipe for Spotted Dog bread, on a page that seems to be published by an internet service provider! http://www.bcpl.net/~cbladey/sweets1.html Reference only, near the top of the page http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bj333/HomePage.saids.html and http://irish.spike-jamie.com/sayings.html Toal Geneology http://www.surnameweb.org/registry/t/o/a/toal.shtml Just kidding: If this saying were from the US, I might think it could have something to do with this judge: http://www.thestate.com/mld/state/2002/08/17/news/opinion/3881950.htm Regards, crabcakes |
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Re: Irish Traditional Sayings - 'As black as Toal's Cloak'
From: pinkfreud-ga on 18 Mar 2004 13:09 PST |
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