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Subject: Website listing in Google
Category: Computers > Internet
Asked by: creative1234-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 21 Mar 2004 11:43 PST
Expires: 20 Apr 2004 12:43 PDT
Question ID: 318959
Hello.

For a number of years I had a website,
http://www.passingpisstests.com/ , in the google database with a PR5.

In mid January I had a search engine company optimize the pages.

Since then the website has dissapeared from the google index.

I have tried help@google.com and they replied that they could not
comment on specific websites. Additionally I have thoroughly reviewed
the info at ://www.google.com/webmasters/ and can find no specific
reason why the site is no longer indexed.

Can you determine the *exact* reason the site is no longer listed and
what steps I would need to take to have the site reincluded in the
google database?

Thank you.

Request for Question Clarification by robertskelton-ga on 22 Mar 2004 04:09 PST
Hi there,

I can provide some very strong possibilities as to why your site is no
longer listed. However, nobody except Google search engineers can give
you the exact reason - all anyone else can do is make educated
guesses. And we are (unfortunately in this instance) not connected to
the search engine side of things at all, except in name.

robertskelton-ga

Clarification of Question by creative1234-ga on 22 Mar 2004 05:33 PST
Please do :-)

This site and others I have up have been operational for years. I'm in
it for the long haul.

If I have been stepping on peoples toes I need to know.

Also, the same company is doing a few of my other sites including
http://www.feelthepleasure.com/ - my google PR has dropped on that
also.

Any input and the reasoning behind it would be *most* welcome!

Clarification of Question by creative1234-ga on 22 Mar 2004 11:26 PST
Please note, I have moved the offending page to
http://www.passingpisstests.com/index-itl.html - this is the one I
need to know why google banned.

I put the old google friendly page back up. I could use some input on
how to get this re-indexed.
Answer  
Subject: Re: Website listing in Google
Answered By: robertskelton-ga on 22 Mar 2004 13:10 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Howdy,

Something that immediately caught my eye was the link at the bottom of
the page, filled with keywords.

Drug Test - How To Pass A Drug Test - Drug Tests - Pass Drug Test -
Passing A Drug Test - Passing Drug Tests - Pass A Drug Test - Passing
Drug Test - Home Drug Test - Hair Drug Test - Drug Test Passing - How
To Pass Drug Test - Drug Test Kits - Beating Drug Tests - Drug Tests -
Marijuana Drug Test - Urine Drug Test - Home Drug Tests - How To Beat
A Drug Test - Beat Drug Test

Although not specifically mentioned in Google Guidelines, I figure it
would come under this:


Quality Guidelines - Basic Principles
-------------------------------------

"Make pages for users, not for search engines. Don't deceive your
users, or present different content to search engines than you display
to users.

Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule
of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done
to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask,
'Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't
exist?'"
://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

Clearly the only purpose for that link was to trick search engines. It
is on the homepage and links to the homepage. Although it is a common
mistake for webmasters to have a link called "home" on their homepage
(because it appears on every page of their site), you can count on
alarm bells sounding when a homepage links to itself 3 times (the top
logo, and two text links at the bottom).

That alone would be enough to have your site penalized. 


Link Exchanging
---------------
Over the years Google has sometimes cracked down on link exchange schemes, such as:
http://passingpisstests.com/linkbuilder/link-exchange.php

Google say:

"Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's
ranking or PageRank"
://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

Not only would the words "link exchange" be easy for Google to find on
websites, when you consider that what makes Google so good is that it
looks at link relationships between sites, any exchanged link will be
obvious to them.

In my experience the only way to make link exchanges work is:

1) Do it privately, don't mention words like "link exchange" on your site
2) Make sure they equal less than a quarter of links pointing to your site 
3) Don't have the links on a "links page". Spread them throughout your site

Ideally each party has multiple sites, so that 

Site A1 links to site B2
Site B1 links to site A2


<head> Content
--------------
Google will never penalize a site for placing keywords in the META
keyword tag - after all, that is its purpose. Google pretty much
ignore that tag anyway, due to years of webmaster abuse (although the
new Yahoo search engine will pay some attention to it).

But when Google notices the following, then another alarm bell might sound:

<!-- Drug Test, How To Pass A Drug Test, Drug Tests, Pass Drug Test,
Passing A Drug Test, Passing Drug Tests, Pass A Drug Test, Passing
Drug Test, Home Drug Test, Hair Drug Test, Drug Test Passing, How To
Pass Drug Test, Drug Test Kits, Beating Drug Tests, Drug Tests,
Marijuana Drug Test, Urine Drug Test, Home Drug Tests, How To Beat A
Drug Test, Beat Drug Test -->

<title>PASS a Drug Test, How To Pass A Beating Drug Tests, Passing A
Marijuana Urine Drug Test, How To Beat A Home Hair Drug Test
Kits</title>
		
<meta name="description" content=" Pass your drug test with proven
urine and hair drug testing solutions scientifically engineered for
passing drug tests ">

<meta name="keywords" content=" Drug Test, How To Pass A Drug Test,
Drug Tests, Pass Drug Test, Passing A Drug Test, Passing Drug Tests,
Pass A Drug Test, Passing Drug Test, Home Drug Test, Hair Drug Test,
Drug Test Passing, How To Pass Drug Test, Drug Test Kits, Beating Drug
Tests, Drug Tests, Marijuana Drug Test, Urine Drug Test, Home Drug
Tests, How To Beat A Drug Test, Beat Drug Test ">

<meta name="key-phrases" content=" Drug Test, How To Pass A Drug Test,
Drug Tests, Pass Drug Test, Passing A Drug Test, Passing Drug Tests,
Pass A Drug Test, Passing Drug Test, Home Drug Test, Hair Drug Test,
Drug Test Passing, How To Pass Drug Test, Drug Test Kits, Beating Drug
Tests, Drug Tests, Marijuana Drug Test, Urine Drug Test, Home Drug
Tests, How To Beat A Drug Test, Beat Drug Test ">

<meta name="content" content=" Drug Test, How To Pass A Drug Test,
Drug Tests, Pass Drug Test, Passing A Drug Test, Passing Drug Tests,
Pass A Drug Test, Passing Drug Test, Home Drug Test, Hair Drug Test,
Drug Test Passing, How To Pass Drug Test, Drug Test Kits, Beating Drug
Tests, Drug Tests, Marijuana Drug Test, Urine Drug Test, Home Drug
Tests, How To Beat A Drug Test, Beat Drug Test ">
		
<meta name="Drug test" content=" Drug Test, How To Pass A Drug Test,
Drug Tests, Pass Drug Test, Passing A Drug Test, Passing Drug Tests,
Pass A Drug Test, Passing Drug Test, Home Drug Test, Hair Drug Test,
Drug Test Passing, How To Pass Drug Test, Drug Test Kits, Beating Drug
Tests, Drug Tests, Marijuana Drug Test, Urine Drug Test, Home Drug
Tests, How To Beat A Drug Test, Beat Drug Test ">


Duplicate Content
-----------------
"Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with
substantially duplicate content."
://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

I noticed that you have two duplicate sites:
http://www.passingpisstests.com/
http://www.passingpisstest.com/

Google prefers to only have one copy of a site in its index, for the
benefit of the searcher. It is fine to have both domain names, but
Google prefers it if you use a permanent redirect (using a "301" code
in HTTP headers), so that only one site appears in results.


Getting a Good Ranking again
----------------------------
First of all, your site is still in Google, it just ranks near the
bottom of search results. The penalty is that your PageRank is now
zero. Solutions:

1) Remove all the dodgy SEO work
2) Remove the link exchange
3) Keep content on only one domain name (choose the one with the most
good links pointing to it) and either use a 301 redirect, or block
Google using robots.txt or just plain remove the other site
4) Email Google at help@google.com:

"We will not comment on the individual reasons a page was removed and
we do not offer an exhaustive list of practices that can cause
removal. However, certain actions such as cloaking, writing text that
can be seen by search engines but not by users, or setting up
pages/links with the sole purpose of fooling search engines may result
in permanent removal from our index. If you think your site may fall
into this category, you might try 'cleaning up' the page and sending a
re-inclusion request to help@google.com. We do not make any guarantees
about if or when we will re-include your site. "
://www.google.com/webmasters/2.html

Explain to them that your SEO did some dodgy things, and now you have
cleaned them up (detail what you have changed) and you would like to
have any penalty lifted.

Then it is just a case of waiting - changes sometimes take a month or
two to be reflected in search results.


FeelthePleasure.com
-------------------
I suspect the problem is duplicate content:

http://www.rush-poppers.us
http://www.feelthepleasure.com/

I also have a suspicion that you own these domain names:

www.detoxleader.com
www.affordabledetox.com

They appear to be set up just to be indexed by search engines, and
then re-direct to http://www.elitedetox.com/ - the use of such doorway
pages is against Google Guidelines.



Best wishes,
robertskelton-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by creative1234-ga on 22 Mar 2004 14:07 PST
Thanks.

Great stuff.

I will attend to all.

I proclaim my innocence for ownership of .....
www.detoxleader.com
www.affordabledetox.com

Honestly, I don't own them but looks like I am guilty of all other chrages.

Request for Answer Clarification by creative1234-ga on 22 Mar 2004 14:09 PST
oh - could you look at the page up there now ( it was the original )
and see how it rates on you google scale?

Clarification of Answer by robertskelton-ga on 22 Mar 2004 15:22 PST
Thanks for the rating and tip!

Your current homepage and in fact the entire site is now fine, and all
abide by Google Guidelines. It is worth your while to read all the
Guidelines carefully, as there are other things you can do wrong that
are not obvious from looking at your site, such as using automated
rank-checking software.

The reason I mentioned those other sites is because I looked for any
duplicate sites you may have by doing this search:

"Intelligent Solution Company, Inc"
://www.google.com/search?q=%22Intelligent+Solution+Company%2C+Inc%22

It's hard to see the contents of the pages of affordabledetox.com and
detoxleader.com because they redirect. You can enter the URL of the
pages and Google's cache of them into this to see the text of the
page:
http://www.webmaster-toolkit.com/search-engine-simulator.shtml

Looks like your opposition was copying your page content - rather
dirty tactics in my opinion.

Request for Answer Clarification by creative1234-ga on 22 Mar 2004 16:24 PST
There is quite a bit of pinching going on ( copying web sites ).

As I recall these SEO guys, ITL Software, were using the bots to check
positioning also. I'd log into an area of the site and the results
would say something along the lines of ' these results are live from
the search engines '.

I think the combination of them violating a few of the guidelines and
being extremely marginal on a number of others resulted in this
disaster.

I thought they would be safe - I found them on elance.com

I'll just stick with my existing site layout. The revenue was good, I
just wanted to improve it a bit.

Best of luck to you and thanks for the great service!

Clarification of Answer by robertskelton-ga on 22 Mar 2004 16:48 PST
You are most welcome.
creative1234-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $2.00
Great answer

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