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"The" question, part 2
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: apteryx-ga List Price: $2.81 |
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23 Mar 2004 19:49 PST
Expires: 22 Apr 2004 20:49 PDT Question ID: 319841 |
Why do we say "the Hague," "the Congo," and "the Bronx"? Especially "the Bronx." Sheer curiosity-- Thank you, Apteryx |
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Re: "The" question, part 2
Answered By: justaskscott-ga on 23 Mar 2004 20:32 PST Rated: |
Hello apteryx, Believe it or not, someone wrote an article entitled, "From the Hague to the Bronx: Definite Articles in Place Names". While I have not come across the actual article, I did find a good description of it. As to your questions, the description says: "Hess dispenses quickly of 'the Hague' (Den Haag) by noting that it is an abbreviation of the full (apparently legal) name "s' Gravenhage" (a name which will live forever in the history of linguistics), meaning 'the Count's enclosure, or hedge.'" "And how about the Bronx? Just as The Hague is shortened from s' Gravenhage, The Bronx is abbreviated from 'Borough of the Bronx River,' an older term designating the surrounding area. Jonas Bronck, from whom The Bronx takes its name, would love the attention." "Tue 27 Oct 1992 - Disc: Place-Names and Articles - Message 1: The Bronx" LINGUIST List 3.838: Place-Names and Articles http://www.linguistlist.org/issues/3/3-838.html Another page claims (perhaps incorrectly) that "the Bronx" arose in a different way: "The area was owned by a family named Bronck, so people would say they were going to the Broncks. Spelling was changed to reflect the pronunciation." This page also observes that taking away a noun after an adjective may result in a place name with a "the" -- thus, "the Bahamas" (from "the Bahama Islands") and "the Philippines" (from "the Philippine Islands"). "Article 'the' In Country Names" E.L. Easton http://eleaston.com/the-us.html This phenomenon may best explain "the Bronx" and "the Congo" -- both appear to be named for a river ("the Bronx River" and "the Congo River"). "RE: Why THE Bronx", by Alan Jacobs (20 Jan 1998) University of California, Davis, Law Library http://lawlibrary.ucdavis.edu/LAWLIB/Jan98/0484.html "Re: Non-functioning articles [was: Pet peeves]", by David Sider (19 Apr 1996) Classics-L Archive [Department of Greek and Latin at Ohio State University] http://omega.cohums.ohio-state.edu/mailing_lists/CLA-L/Older/log96/9604c/9604c.231.html Conceivably, "the Congo" might derive, at least in part, from "the Congo Free State." However, I didn't find any pages mentioning that possibility. - justaskscott I used the following search terms in various combinations on Google: "the bronx" "the hague" "the congo" "the broncks" "s gravenhage" "the congo free state" "definite article" |
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Terrific, justaskscott--all questions answered, or close enough so I'm no longer wondering. Thank you, Apteryx |
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Re: "The" question, part 2
From: pinkfreud-ga on 23 Mar 2004 21:42 PST |
And of course there is always that expensive piece of property, The Donald. |
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Re: "The" question, part 2
From: probonopublico-ga on 24 Mar 2004 01:48 PST |
Another great question, Apteryx. Have you ever wondered about The Orange Free State? Was it because Oranges were free? Or because the place was free of Oranges? All the Very Best Bryan |
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Re: "The" question, part 2
From: tnsdan-ga on 24 Mar 2004 05:50 PST |
This is especially bad with highway names in California. "The 101", "The 10", etc... |
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Re: "The" question, part 2
From: mister2u-ga on 24 Mar 2004 06:48 PST |
Wasn't The Congo The Belgian Congo? |
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Re: "The" question, part 2
From: kemlo-ga on 24 Mar 2004 13:01 PST |
THE BELGIUM CONGO |
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Re: "The" question, part 2
From: kemlo-ga on 24 Mar 2004 13:04 PST |
To PB It relates to the colour and cost its taxpayers nothing. |
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Re: "The" question, part 2
From: apteryx-ga on 24 Mar 2004 22:28 PST |
Yes, it was the Belgian Congo, and I used to wonder about that too, and the Orange Free State as well. Oddly, even though my father spent half a year in the OFS while on sabbatical, I never asked him about the name. There are lots of other peculiar uses of definite articles, and some of them are just a normal kind of truncation or ellipsis such as we see in everyday speech--omitting the noun and just using the adjective as a stand-in (No, I don't want the yellow one--hand me the blue. Youth is wasted on the young. I don't want to be the last. Ethelred the Unready.). My question here was about specific place names. Thanks, everyone, for your comments. Apteryx |
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Re: "The" question, part 2
From: pinkfreud-ga on 25 Mar 2004 11:47 PST |
Ever notice that British patients are "in hospital," but American patients are "in the hospital?" That one puzzles me. Americans say that people are "in jail," "in school," or "in court," but when they get ill, they are "in THE hospital." |
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Re: "The" question, part 2
From: zire-ga on 12 Apr 2004 14:45 PDT |
>tnsdan-ga wrote: >This is especially bad with highway names in California. "The 101", >"The 10", etc... That's only in southern California. In northern California it's "101" etc. Go figure. |
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Re: "The" question, part 2
From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 21 Mar 2005 12:14 PST |
That's such a great thought Pink, I've never thought about our (American's) strange use of the word "the". It is kinda random. One thought that comes to mind is that if I'm talking about a place I would go where everyone would assume they knew why I was going there then I don't say "the". When I go to court then everyone would assume I'm on trial, but if I were to say I'm going to the court then I think people would think there must be another reason I have to go to the court. "I am in school" would suggest that I am a student in the school. But "I am in the school" suggests that I have another purpose for being in the school. Just a random thought I had. Perhaps I'm way off base here :) |
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