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9/11 Commission - What about the failures of the Air Force?
Category: Relationships and Society Asked by: timespacette-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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25 Mar 2004 01:07 PST
Expires: 24 Apr 2004 02:07 PDT Question ID: 320320 |
Are any of the panels conducting the 9/11 investigation addressing the question of why the Air Force failed to shoot down any of the four high-jacked planes on September 11th? The NORAD defense system prides itself on quick response with Mach-speed fighter jets whenever even a HINT of a high-jacking begins to unfold. With four planes off-course that morning, with their transponders cut, and flying in forbidden airspace, where was NORAD? Can you direct me to legitimate information regarding this? |
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Re: 9/11 Commission - What about the failures of the Air Force?
From: politicalguru-ga on 25 Mar 2004 03:30 PST |
Dear Time Spacette, I haven't conducted a thorough research (yet) but your assumption that NORAD would have had to deal with this problem is based on your knowledge after the events. Before the events, plane hijack was done in order to negotiate something (threat, but leave most passangers alive), not to initiate an attack, "kamikaze" style. Hijacked planes were not shot, because there were many civilians in them, and in most cases the hijack event ended up relatively without any bloodshed, with the hijackers' surrender. The only event I could think of, where a civilian aircraft that went out of course was shot happened in Sinai in 1973 by the Israeli authorities that thought that a Lybian civilian plane was a disguise for a terrorist attack. It actually carried innocent civilians, but something in the went wrong, and the pilot could not hear the tower telling him that his nevigation brings him into an Israeli terrotiry. (Lybia: A Day to Remember: <http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5260/plane.html>). I wonder how would the public react, if the planes had have been shot down (full of Americans), without any indication that what was going on was more than a "normal" hijack. Statistically, the number of plane hijacking droppen after the 9/11, because hijackers now know, that there is a big chance that they will be shot down long before they could even express their demands, and that there will be no negotiation. It became a very inconvinient tool for "regular" terrorist acivities. |
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Re: 9/11 Commission - What about the failures of the Air Force?
From: hlabadie-ga on 25 Mar 2004 05:04 PST |
Testimony before the National Commission: http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm hlabadie-ga |
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Re: 9/11 Commission - What about the failures of the Air Force?
From: gregduda-ga on 29 Mar 2004 15:49 PST |
Check out this excellent resource, it should answer all your questions! http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/main/essayairdefense.html |
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Re: 9/11 Commission - What about the failures of the Air Force?
From: balllbags-ga on 03 Apr 2004 16:51 PST |
I think i may be able to answer your question as @ the time i was on airspace watch in Michegan airdelta 5 squadron. Problem was that at that moment in time it was 'Eagle eyed' Ernie's turn to get the Big breakfast's in from Mcdonalds, this left a large hole in our security tower as 'Binocular Bob' was off also with flu. This left 4 of us keeping one eye on the sky and the other on 'Morning with Springer' on Channel 92, if u can recall it was an episode about a fetus with a big hairy pubic bush stuck in the womb of a mexican chiropadist and how the lesbian Doctor 'Guieselle' who happened to be passing by saved the poor babies life with a toothpick. We were to engrossesd in the action to have heard any noises overhead as you can imagine , but Dettol Dolly the first aider on call at the time did mention summat about a noise which we put down to the air conditioning. Plse pay the dosh via paypal to ballbags@shushshush.com |
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Re: 9/11 Commission - What about the failures of the Air Force?
From: beagle1-ga on 03 Apr 2004 22:09 PST |
There is an editorial, asking the same question, at: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&ncid=742&e=7&u=/uclicktext/20040401/cm_ucru/wherewastheairforce |
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Re: 9/11 Commission - What about the failures of the Air Force?
From: albanaich10-ga on 04 Apr 2004 15:07 PDT |
Hi Passenger Aircraft have frequently been shot down. The most notable being the destruction of the Iran Air Bus by the USS Vincennes, which was more to do with the incompetance of the US Navy than anything else. http://aviation-safety.net/events/SED.shtml Vincennes http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5260/vince.html Also Kal 007 http://aviation-safety.net/specials/kal007/ If you think about it, the situation on 9/11 approximated that at Pearl Harbour, the main difficulty was not the identification of the threat, but the ability to swiftly move from a 'Peace time' to a 'War time' attitude. Albanaich |
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Re: 9/11 Commission - What about the failures of the Air Force?
From: ktkingster-ga on 13 Apr 2004 01:23 PDT |
Political guru is exactly right, and Ballbags seems to be schizophrenic .... |
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Re: 9/11 Commission - What about the failures of the Air Force?
From: furiousatbush-ga on 15 May 2004 11:32 PDT |
The failure of the Air Force was to NOT INTERCEPT the 4 highjacked commercial planes with air force or air national reserve jet fighters. As is the standing order for any plane, whether commercial or private, when it departs from its flight plan or its transponder ceases signaling. Intercept means the jet fighters fly up on either side of the distressed aircraft and perform set interrogations with pilots using wing wagles and the like. No presidential orders are needed to intercept highjacked flights: it is the normal, default procedure both before and after 9/11. Apparently it often happens. Cast your mind back to the golfer Payne Stewart's ill-fated Lear jet flight which had fighter jet intercept and AWAKs with it throughout, in 1999. The Executive has muddied the answer to this question about failure to intercept by bringing up the emotionally-charged red-herring by saying there was no order to blow up the commercial liners for all the reasons you could mention. Now the public is confusing "intercept" with "blow up." You don't have to be a conspiracy freak to ask why the Air Force did not perform its standing orders. I wish someone from the press would ask Cheney and Bush and Rice and rest this question and not take nonsense for the answer. ALso I wish someone in the ir Force would step forward and address this question. The fact is that the default standing order for jet fighters to scramble to intercept hijacked flights, that standing order had to be countermanded by someone. That someone had to be higher than the FAA and is thought to be in the Executive Office. We all know that Bush was pointedly reading stories to elementary school kids during the entire time the rest of us were glued to the TV watching the plane going into the WTC. (at least the second one, the video of the crash into the first tower wasn't available from the French tourist videomakers until 9/12.) |
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