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Subject: French wines in teh twenties
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: gaucho34-ga
List Price: $30.00
Posted: 26 Mar 2004 12:57 PST
Expires: 25 Apr 2004 13:57 PDT
Question ID: 320894
i need two kinds of wine: a good wine and an excellent wine - one
character, a KGB agent new to Paris, has discovered fine French wine
for the first time - another Russian, working in Paris, is more
expert. Neither of these wines should be 'millionaires wines' although
 one of the characetrs would  know of their existence and should
mention them. But  what are these two men drinking in about 1927, and
what would  they order?
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Subject: Re: French wines in teh twenties
Answered By: tutuzdad-ga on 26 Mar 2004 14:34 PST
Rated:3 out of 5 stars
 
Dear gaucho34-ga;

Thank you for allowing me an opportunity to answer your interesting question.

In terms of being well known, but probably not the best wine in that
decade, "Veuve Amiot, Grands Vins Mousseux" ('The Widow Amiot,
High-Class Sparkling Wine") was commonly advertised in France in the
early to late 1920?s and most amateur but knowledgeable connoisseurs
table wines in Paris at the time would have known what ?Veuve Amiot?
was. Artist Leonetto Cappiello made the champagne famous in 1921, when
he created the now prized and highly sought after advertising poster
entitled ?Cremant du Roi" which was often seen on billboards, in shop
windows and a variety of other public places. It was a nice but fairly
common sparkling wine of the era and it?s abundant marketing made it a
well-known selection.

ENJOY ART
http://www.enjoyart.com/single_posters/champagne_wine/veuve_amiot_grands.htm

Veuve Amiot dates back to 1884 when the recently widowed Elizabeth
Amiot constructed cellars in Saumur and began producing exquisite,
high quality sparkling wines. The company would eventually become one
of the leading sparkling wine houses in the Loire, but is today owned
by Italian vermouth and sparkling wine producer, Martini e Rossi.

The year 1926 gave rise to some fabulous Bordeaux wines and some top
Burgundies were also produced that year. 1927 was the year of Port
wines but of course none of these would have been vintage at the time.

WINE PAGES ? ANNIVERSARY VINTAGE CHARTS
http://www.wine-pages.com/vintold.shtml

The early 1900?s saw some very good, and occasionally SPECTACULAR
Bordeaux wines. In fact, a vintage 1900 bottle today will cost a
fortune (about $3500 a bottle). On the other hand, in 1927 these would
not have been extreme vintage while still be a relatively affordable
and stellar palate pleasers. Even ?back in the day? it would have been
quite stylish if not somewhat elaborate to order an appropriate choice
year of Chateau Lafite Rothschild Red Bordeaux (1900, 1902, 1914 and
even 1926 but after that there was the little war you know which
tended to cause vineyard problems). It is safe to say that everyone on
earth who knew anything at all about fine wine would have immediately
known the absolute magnificence of such a selection. A Chateau Margaux
1900 would also have been an equally admirable selection in it?s own
right.

CHARLIE TROTTERS
http://www.charlietrotters.com/restaurant/wine/wine.asp?typeID=8

Hypothetically then, one man might order "Veuve Amiot" while the
other, somewhat amused perhaps, might correct him and offer to treat
him to the more sophisticated "Chateau Lafite Rothschild". The
magnitude and generosity of the second man's gesture and his knowledge
of fine wine would be immediately understood and would be considered
quite impressive indeed.

I hope you find that my research exceeds your expectations. If you
have any questions about my research please post a clarification
request prior to rating the answer. Otherwise I welcome your rating
and your final comments and I look forward to working with you again
in the near future. Thank you for bringing your question to us.

Best regards;
Tutuzdad-ga ? Google Answers Researcher



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Request for Answer Clarification by gaucho34-ga on 27 Mar 2004 06:49 PST
I have posted a clarification request on the ratings page by mistake -
I am so sorry -  your answer  was extremely helpful, but as I am a non
drinker, I wasn't sure of a detail, and also of the price at the time.
Please see the ratings  page for the rest of my clarification
request!! Again, thank you

Clarification of Answer by tutuzdad-ga on 27 Mar 2004 12:56 PST
Dear gaucho34-ga;

Your second question is much more difficult to answer with a great
deal of accuracy. I think it is safe to assume that in the pre-World
War II era, price ?trends? in Europe were similar to those in the
United States, but of course with regard to wine the import costs
would not be applied so the prices of wine might have been a bit lower
that, say, those in New York. But probably not much.

Here is a reference I found to wine prices in New York during the era you speak of:

??the early days of fine dining in New York were ruled by Champagne,
French reds and German whites, with Sherry and Madeira included as
carryovers from colonial times, when both beverages were wildly
popular. The menus bear this out, with extremely prestigious labels --
Latour, Lafite Rothschild, Cos-d'Estournel -- doled out in oldfangled
measurements of a half or full quart.

Back then, wine prices were remarkably close to food prices. In 1900,
dinner out might have run between $2 and $5, depending on one's level
of gluttony, but Château Latour could be had for $1.50 a quart. And
wine prices didn't change much over time. From 1882 to 1900, Bordeaux
from vintages five to 10 years old cost less than $3 per bottle.?

WINE SPECTATOR ONLINE
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Wine/Archives/Show_Article/0%2C1275%2C4022%2C00.html

I think it is reasonably accurate them to assume that one could
purchase a bottle of 1900 Lafite Rothschild in France, in 1927, some
25 years later than the period mentioned in the article above, for the
US equivalent of about $3.00 per bottle. Two factors some into play
here, one being that 1900 was a spectacular year and an exceptionally
impressive vintage came from that harvest (making the wine more
expensive perhaps), and secondly of course, inflation.

As a matter of realism, it might also be important to note that,
according to ECONOMIC HISTORY SERVICES database, in the year 1927, it
took 25.48 Old Francs to buy one U.S. Dollar.

ECONOMIC HISTORY SERVICES
http://eh.net/hmit/exchangerates/

Champagne flows like water in France, even back then ? Fine Bordeaux
does not. So, accordingly then, in comparison to the turn of the
century New York prices above and taking into account vintage and
inflation, the price of a bottle of Lafite Rothschild served in France
in 1927 might well have been 76.00 francs a bottle, while a bottle of
Veuve Amiel might only have been a mere 38.00 francs or perhaps even a
bit less.




I hope this adds significantly to what we have already discussed. I
look forward to serving you again. Cheers!

Regards;
Tutuzdad-ga

PS: My final toast at the end made me think - and you may be
interested to know this: Customarily, when a person of some manner, if
not sophistication, toasts another in France he typically raises his
glass and nods slightly at his companion and says, ?À votre santé? or
the less formal ?santé? (?To your health?), to which the saluted
companion replies, ?À la votre ("And to yours").

Clarification of Answer by tutuzdad-ga on 28 Mar 2004 10:31 PST
In Russian of course, the toast equivilent of "Cheers" is "Na
zdorovia" (pronounced, though this is probably not an issue with
regard to a book, 'noz-trov-ya').

Regards;
tutuzdad-ga
gaucho34-ga rated this answer:3 out of 5 stars
thank you for your rapid and interestign answer- as a non-drinker, I
foudn it mosr helpful - I am pretty sure that is all I need, but if in
the course of writing the rest of teh chapter I run into trouble, I
will  ask again - they are  not in a restaurant, but in a luxuriously
appointed official Headquarters, where the personnel, however, are not
terribly sophisticated, so I assume that the Veuve Amiel woudl be the
wine offered, and the Rothschild would be the wine
counter-suggested??? thanks very much. How much would these wines cost
by the way, in the prices of the day?

Comments  
Subject: Re: French wines in teh twenties
From: probonopublico-ga on 28 Mar 2004 08:31 PST
 
Hi, Gaucho34

May I point out that the KGB was not created until March 1954?

The Soviet Security Service from July 1923 until July 1934 was known as OGPU.

Good luck with the book!

Bryan

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