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world War one officer training - Britain -- for Kris write Ga.
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Re: world War one officer training - Britain -- for Kris write Ga.
Answered By: kriswrite-ga on 28 Mar 2004 15:30 PST Rated: |
Hi Hudson~ I?m so glad that my ?diggin?s? are helpful to you; thank you for requesting that I post them as an Answer. Here goes: In 1914, the British army was what some have called a purely ?professional? one. Unfortunately, it was a very small army, compared to the draft-produced armies of the enemy. There were only 450,000 men and about 900 trained staff officers, plus about 250,000 reservists. Even though many thought the war would be over by Christmas, some suspected a longer, bloodier war. One of those people was Lord Kitchener, Secretary of State for War. Yet Britons resisted conscription. So Kitchener asked for volunteers. On August 6, the Parliament decided to allow an increase of 500,000 men to the British army. A few days later, Kitchener asked for 100,000 volunteers. They only had to be between the age of 19 and 30, at least 5?3? tall, and have a chest more than 34 inches. General Henry Rawlinson suggested that volunteers might be more likely to come forward if they knew they could serve with their pals. And so the ?Pals Battalions? were formed, made up of men all from a certain vicinity. In a matter of days, Liverpool had four all-volunteer battalions. ?The Times? reported that on August 4th, it took the recruiting officer at Great Scotland Yard 20 minutes to wade through the crowds wanting to volunteer, and soon, the police were kept handy to help control the crowds. In September, recruitment began in Accrington. In three hours, 104 men were enlisted. In Sheffield, an all-volunteer battalion was enlisted in two days. By the end of August, about 30,000 men enlisted every day. The army was overwhelmed, and soon local magistrates helped organize, feed, and drill the volunteers. Most of these Pal Battalions, according to the BBC, trained through 1915. Yet, with all this eagerness to volunteer, conscription (what we yanks call "the draft") began in 1916. Generally, new recruits were sent to a Regimental depot, where they received basic marching and disciplinary training. Typically, this lasted about 3 months. Then they were sent off to a main training camp, where they learned tactics. Not unusually, the first three months were in England, and further training was seen to in France. One writer suggests that the reason so little has been written about British training during WWI is that is was boring and very repetitive. As training got more advanced, sometimes a battlefield was marked outin the countryside, and a mock battle took place. New techniques were taught on a regular basis, and working with tanks and learning storm-troop tactics were a must. Men in the artillery were taught ?modern? techniques for better accuracy. Later in the war, American troops were brought into British camps to teach trench fighting. During training, demand usually outnumbered supply, so many men ended up training in their own clothes. Sometimes, old uniforms were issued. Some men wore ?emergency? uniforms, popularly known as ?Kitchener Blues? because they were almost plain blue and mostly worn by volunteers. OFFICERS: According to government websites, WWI began with ?a small and privileged elite? of officers, about 15,000 in total. As the war progressed, an addition 235,000 men were given commissions?most of them temporary. When the war to end all wars *began,* officers were, indeed, only ?gentlemen,? but as the need for officers continued, more and more men who were not wealthy or established enough to be ?regular gentlemen? were allowed to become officers. (JRR Tolkien was among these fellows; see Officer?s Service Record: Tolkien, National Archives, http://www.pro.gov.uk/pathways/firstworldwar/people/tolkien.htm ) The two training schools that come up again and again when looking into the history of WWI officers are: The Staff College, Camberley (later the Royal Military College). For a brief look at this college?s history, see RMA?s website history page: http://www.atra.mod.uk/Atra/RMAS/history/history5.htm And The Royal Military Academy, Woolwich. For more information on this institution, see the page devoted to it on the Royal Engineers website: http://www.royalengineers.ca/RMA.html Although it isn?t necessarily WWI specific, you may also find this article, ?Gone for a Soldier? by Richard Holmes of interest; you?ll find it on the BBC?s website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/lj/warslj/soldier_01.shtml You might enjoy looking at some training camp photos, here, on ?Pictures of the Past:? http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/dms/past/ww1/pontoons.html You?ll also find volunteer & recruitment photos here, at the BBC history of WWI: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwone/soldiers_stories_gallery_01.shtml Regards, Kriswrite KEYWORDS USED: soldiers training WWI ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=soldiers+training+WWI&btnG=Google+Search soldiers training WWI British ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=soldiers+training+WWI+British&btnG=Google+Search soldiers trained WWI British ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=soldiers+trained+WWI+British&btnG=Google+Search army training WWI British ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=army+training+WWI+British&btnG=Google+Search basic training WWI ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=basic+training+WWI&btnG=Google+Search "training camp" WWI British ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22training+camp%22+WWI+British&btnG=Google+Search enlisted WWI British ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=enlisted+WWI+British&btnG=Google+Search Kitchener WWI British ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Kitchener+WWI+British&btnG=Google+Search conscripts WWI ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=conscripts+WWI&btnG=Google+Search conscription WWI ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=conscription+WWI&btnG=Google+Search volunteers WWI British ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=volunteers+WWI+British&btnG=Google+Search recruitment WWI British ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=recruitment+WWI+British&btnG=Google+Search "officer training" British WWI ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22officer+training%22+British+WWI "officer training" British 19th century ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22officer+training%22+British+19th+century "military academy" British 19th century ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22military+academy%22+British+19th+century&btnG=Google+Search Royal Military Academy ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Royal+Military+Academy+&btnG=Google+Search |
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Re: world War one officer training - Britain -- for Kris write Ga.
From: kriswrite-ga on 27 Mar 2004 10:06 PST |
Hi Hudson~ I have done extensive web searches, and visited my library, hoping to find the information you need. Unfortunately, I haven?t found enough to feel I can post my findings as an Answer?so I?m supplying them as a comment. If what I have manages to answer your question, let me know, and I will post it formally. But I suspect it does not, and I hope that another Researcher (perhaps a Brit) will be better able to assist you. Here?s what I discovered: In 1914, the British army was what some have called a purely ?professional? one. Unfortunately, it was a very small army, compared to the draft-produced armies of the enemy. There were only 450,000 men and about 900 trained staff officers, plus about 250,000 reservists. Even though many thought the war would be over by Christmas, some suspected a longer, bloodier war. One of those people was Lord Kitchener, Secretary of State for War. Yet Britons resisted conscription. So Kitchener asked for volunteers. On August 6, the Parliament decided to allow an increase of 500,000 men to the British army. A few days later, Kitchener asked for 100,000 volunteers. They only had to be between the age of 19 and 30, at least 5?3? tall, and have a chest more than 34 inches. General Henry Rawlinson suggested that volunteers might be more likely to come forward if they knew they could serve with their pals. And so the ?Pals Battalions? were formed, made up of men all from a certain vicinity. In a matter of days, Liverpool had four all-volunteer battalions. ?The Times? reported that on August 4th, it took the recruiting officer at Great Scotland Yard 20 minutes to wade through the crowds wanting to volunteer, and soon, the police were kept handy to help control the crowds. In September, recruitment began in Accrington. In three hours, 104 men were enlisted. In Sheffield, an all-volunteer battalion was enlisted in two days. By the end of August, about 30,000 men enlisted every day. The army was overwhelmed, and soon local magistrates helped organize, feed, and drill the volunteers. Most of these Pal Battalions, according to the BBC, trained through 1915. Yet, with all this eagerness to volunteer, conscription (what we yanks call "the draft") began in 1916. Generally, new recruits were sent to a Regimental depot, where they received basic marching and disciplinary training. Typically, this lasted about 3 months. Then they were sent off to a main training camp, where they learned tactics. Not unusually, the first three months were in England, and further training was seen to in France. One writer suggests that the reason so little has been written about British training during WWI is that is was boring and very repetitive. As training got more advanced, sometimes a battlefield was marked outin the countryside, and a mock battle took place. New techniques were taught on a regular basis, and working with tanks and learning storm-troop tactics were a must. Men in the artillery were taught ?modern? techniques for better accuracy. Later in the war, American troops were brought into British camps to teach trench fighting. During training, demand usually outnumbered supply, so many men ended up training in their own clothes. Sometimes, old uniforms were issued. Some men wore ?emergency? uniforms, popularly known as ?Kitchener Blues? because they were almost plain blue and mostly worn by volunteers. You might enjoy looking at some training camp photos, here, on ?Pictures of the Past:? http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/dms/past/ww1/pontoons.html You?ll also find volunteer & recruitment photos here, at the BBC history of WWI: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwone/soldiers_stories_gallery_01.shtml Regards, Kriswrite KEYWORDS USED: soldiers training WWI ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=soldiers+training+WWI&btnG=Google+Search soldiers training WWI British ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=soldiers+training+WWI+British&btnG=Google+Search soldiers trained WWI British ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=soldiers+trained+WWI+British&btnG=Google+Search army training WWI British ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=army+training+WWI+British&btnG=Google+Search basic training WWI ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=basic+training+WWI&btnG=Google+Search "training camp" WWI British ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22training+camp%22+WWI+British&btnG=Google+Search enlisted WWI British ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=enlisted+WWI+British&btnG=Google+Search Kitchener WWI British ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Kitchener+WWI+British&btnG=Google+Search conscripts WWI ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=conscripts+WWI&btnG=Google+Search conscription WWI ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=conscription+WWI&btnG=Google+Search volunteers WWI British ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=volunteers+WWI+British&btnG=Google+Search recruitment WWI British ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=recruitment+WWI+British&btnG=Google+Search |
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Re: world War one officer training - Britain -- for Kris write Ga.
From: hudson344-ga on 27 Mar 2004 12:15 PST |
K: This is somewhat useful -- however -- If you could look into one further aspect -- I'll have my answer: The Officer CLASS. What was their version of Westpoint? Where were military 'leaders' trained -- Sandringham? |
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Re: world War one officer training - Britain -- for Kris write Ga.
From: kriswrite-ga on 27 Mar 2004 17:05 PST |
According to government websites, WWI began with ?a small and privileged elite? of officers, about 15,000 in total. As the war progressed, an addition 235,000 men were given commissions?most of them temporary. When the war to end all wars *began,* officers were, indeed, only ?gentlemen,? but as the need for officers continued, more and more men who were not wealthy or established enough to be ?regular gentlemen? were allowed to become officers. (JRR Tolkien was among these fellows; see Officer?s Service Record: Tolkien, National Archives, http://www.pro.gov.uk/pathways/firstworldwar/people/tolkien.htm ) The two training schools that come up again and again when looking into the history of WWI officers are: The Staff College, Camberley (later the Royal Military College). For a brief look at this college?s history, see RMA?s website history page: http://www.atra.mod.uk/Atra/RMAS/history/history5.htm And The Royal Military Academy, Woolwich. For more information on this institution, see the page devoted to it on the Royal Engineers website: http://www.royalengineers.ca/RMA.html Although it isn?t necessarily WWI specific, you may also find this article, ?Gone for a Soldier? by Richard Holmes of interest; you?ll find it on the BBC?s website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/lj/warslj/soldier_01.shtml Does this help further? I hope so. Regards, Kriswrite KEYWORDS USED: "officer training" British WWI ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22officer+training%22+British+WWI "officer training" British 19th century ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22officer+training%22+British+19th+century "military academy" British 19th century ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22military+academy%22+British+19th+century&btnG=Google+Search Royal Military Academy ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Royal+Military+Academy+&btnG=Google+Search |
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Re: world War one officer training - Britain -- for Kris write Ga.
From: hudson344-ga on 28 Mar 2004 14:13 PST |
K: This is more than enough - thank you so much - post it all as an answer -- I very much appreciate your fine work. |
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Re: world War one officer training - Britain -- for Kris write Ga.
From: kriswrite-ga on 28 Mar 2004 17:58 PST |
Hudson, you have me blushing. Thank you for the praise--and for the tip! I appreciate it. Kriswrite |
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