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Q: quote calling those who diea in WW I the "best men" ( Answered 4 out of 5 stars,   0 Comments )
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Subject: quote calling those who diea in WW I the "best men"
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference
Asked by: toluca-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 27 Mar 2004 21:10 PST
Expires: 26 Apr 2004 22:10 PDT
Question ID: 321216
I am looking for quotes about the soldiers who died in WW I similar
in form or meaning to "those were the very best men". Please include
sources. I need either an exact match, or several near misses.

Request for Question Clarification by leli-ga on 28 Mar 2004 04:46 PST
Hello toluca

Is this at all suitable?

"We are slowly but surely killing off the best of the male population
of these islands."

This was said by a British cabinet minister during the war.

Are you interested in quotations from anyone? politicians? writers?

Leli

Clarification of Question by toluca-ga on 28 Mar 2004 08:56 PST
I am actually lolking for the source of this specific quote, but may
not have remembered it correctly.

Clarification of Question by toluca-ga on 28 Mar 2004 09:00 PST
A better phasing of the question would have been:

I remember a quotaion about the soldiers who died in WW II, that was
something like "those were the very best men". I am looking for its
source.

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 28 Mar 2004 09:47 PST
Can you clarify, please, is the context of the quote WWI or WWII?

Thanks.

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 28 Mar 2004 10:45 PST
Shortly after World War 1, Winston Churchill said of T E Lawrence
(Lawrence of Arabia, that he was one of "two or three of the very best
men it has ever been my fortune to work with".

Is this similar to what you were hoping to find?

Regards;
tutuzdad-ga

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 28 Mar 2004 11:24 PST
Does this sound like whta you're looking for:

"I had recently occasion to recall...the terrible losses in human
lives which France suffered during the First World War - a million and
a half of the best men of the generation..."

Clarification of Question by toluca-ga on 28 Mar 2004 12:05 PST
Sorry, I mean the first world war.

Clarification of Question by toluca-ga on 28 Mar 2004 12:12 PST
The Churchill quote is not it, the other is closer, but I susspect the
one I am looking for is about Brittish deaths. The meaning of it was
that there was something very extrodianry about the men that died,
that they were the noblest or the finest or their generation,  not
just that they were good.

Request for Question Clarification by leli-ga on 28 Mar 2004 12:59 PST
One more possibility:

"The finest flowers of English manhood had been plucked from a whole generation."

Could this be the quotation you're looking for?

Leli

Clarification of Question by toluca-ga on 29 Mar 2004 09:51 PST
The "finest flowers" quote does have a very similar meaning, but is
not the quote that I am searching for.

Clarification of Question by toluca-ga on 12 Apr 2004 10:55 PDT
Leli,
Since my question was poorly specified, I will accpet the "finest
flowers" and "best of the male population" quotes, plus  any others
you found, as an answer to the question.
-Danny
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Subject: Re: quote calling those who diea in WW I the "best men"
Answered By: leli-ga on 13 Apr 2004 10:39 PDT
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
Danny

That is very kind of you, and I'm sorry none of us managed to pinpoint
the exact quotation you had in mind.

Lord Lansdowne, a British Government minister, wrote a memorandum in
1916, saying, "We are slowly but surely killing off the best of the
male population of these islands."
http://www.addingham.info/war/warsummary.htm 

It was Vera Brittain who said that "the finest flowers of English
manhood had been plucked from a whole generation". This article quotes
her and adds some context:
http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,12084,1031689,00.html

On the same page of "Testament of Youth" she also wrote that "the men
who excelled in mind and body were mostly vanished into oblivion."

Testament of Youth: An Autobiographical Study of the Years 1900-1925 
by Vera Brittain 
page 610
Penguin USA (1994)
(Read at Amazon if registered for the "search inside" feature.)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0140188444/ref=sib_vae_dp/104-8273820-5884716?%5Fencoding=UTF8&no=283155&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&st=books

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The idea that the 'very best men' fought and died in the first world
war was widespread in the years after the war, especially in England,
yet it is surprisingly difficult to pin down actual "quotable quotes".
While searching, I discovered an interesting website which discusses
the post-war feeling that the finest of men had been lost. It quotes
George A. Greenwood, author of "England Today: a social study of our
time", writing in 1922:

"They were of the stock of men with high desires that come from fresh
brains and who have the energy to apply them, the elements that count
for most in the world's affairs. It is no mere coincidence that our
almost intolerable weight of social, industrial and economic problems
follows upon the sudden abstraction from and the very partial
restoration to the life of its nation of its noblest, bravest and most
unselfish youth."
http://www.aftermathww1.com/lostgen2.asp

This site also quotes a sermon preached in 1932:

". . a generation was not decimated but decapitated, not mauled at
mere haphazard, but shorn precisely of its grace and glory, of its
most ardent, its most generous, its most brave . . ."

and talks of a:

". . . mystical belief that there was something very special about
those young men who died in the Great War. The feeling that those men
who died were the finest of their generation, and that the fact of
their dying somehow proved their wasted excellence, became very common
in post-war writing."
http://www.aftermathww1.com/lostgen.asp

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Victor Serge wrote:

"The flower of the youth of a continent, an entire generation of young
men were mowed down."

Victor Serge quoted in:
Victor Serge: The Course is Set on Hope
by Susan Weissman


Despite searching quite thoroughly on Amazon and Google, I haven't
come up with any more quotes which would meet your criteria, only
private comments on the men who fought the war, or educational
webpages discussing the mood of the 1920s.

I hope this is of some use, and thanks once again for accepting the
results of my research.

Best wishes - Leli


Search terms used:

"best men" "very best" finest noblest flower youth manhood generation
"first world war" "great war" "world war one" "world war 1" ww1 wwi 1914 1918
toluca-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars
Nice job, even if you were not able to find the quote I was looking for.

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