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Subject: Occult symbol origin
Category: Relationships and Society > Religion
Asked by: coldforge-ga
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Posted: 01 Apr 2004 06:45 PST
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Question ID: 323502
What are the origins and meaning of this symbol: www.sammich.org/~ez/aker.jpg 
Ignore the white 'C' on top. I'm fairly certain it is an established
symbol, as I have seen it in more than one location.
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Subject: Re: Occult symbol origin
From: jackburton-ga on 02 Apr 2004 00:44 PST
 
It looks somewhat Masonic with the initials CV. It is curious that the
'C' seems to be an addition and is off centre.
Subject: Re: Occult symbol origin
From: pugwashjw-ga on 02 Apr 2004 06:42 PST
 
Occultism, or Spiritism, in any form, is strongly condemned by the
Bible. The practise depends on the false befief that a spiritual part
of a person survives death, and can help or hurt the living.
Ecclesiastes 9; 5,6, & 10 says otherwise. The "Soul" mentioned in the
bible, is not some separate part but the complete living Person.
Ezekiel 18;4 states...the soul that is sinning, it itself will die.
Even Psalm 146;4, seems at first to indicate a separate "soul", but if
so would be in conflict with the other scriptures. And if a person
believes the Bible to be the word of God, many call faith, it must be
an honest book with no conflicts from Genesis to Revelation.
Subject: Re: Occult symbol origin
From: cyclometh-ga on 02 Apr 2004 10:03 PST
 
I did some looking around and found nothing that would be a suitable
match for this symbol. The name of the file- "aker.jpg" led to some
interesting searches. Aker is the name of an Egyptian deity, which is
two lions facing east and west, named Sef and Duau, or "Yesterday" and
"Tomorrow". (http://www.egyptianmyths.net/aker.htm).

It is remotely possible, but not likely in my opinion, that this
symbol you've provided is a highly stylized rendition of the two lions
back to back, but that's a pretty big stretch.

Do you have any additional data about this symbol that might narrow down a search?

Regards,

cyclometh-ga
Subject: Re: Occult symbol origin
From: coldforge-ga on 02 Apr 2004 10:28 PST
 
As I mentioned, the 'C' is to be disregarded. This particular instance
of the image is from the cover art of a metal band called Akercocke. I
named the picture myself, 'aker' is just the first part of that word.
The white C is merely a letter of the word 'Akercocke'.
Subject: Re: Occult symbol origin
From: cyclometh-ga on 02 Apr 2004 18:36 PST
 
This is quite interesting. I have thus far been unable to find any
symbol that would match, but I've been keeping at it for a while now
just because the search is fascinating.

There are a couple of points of interest that I have found, which may
or may not be of use to you-

The actual cover art for the album Choronzon has a wheel-like object
in the background with symbols or sigils of some type inscribed around
it. In an attempt to get to the symbol you were interested in via the
"back door", so to speak, I tried to find the origin/meaning of these
symbols.

[About.Com's Visual Glossary of Religious Symbols]
Useful collection of religious, cultic, and iconic symbols and sigils.
http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/blsymbols.htm

[Symbols.net]
A reference, searchable by description, of thousands of symbols.
http://www.symbols.net

[Omniglot Writing Systems]
A comprehensive resource for hundreds of alphabets.
http://www.omniglot.com

I had no luck finding any correspondence with either the symbol you
indicated or the sigils on the album cover. There were some enticing
similarities to some symbols or alphabetical sigils.

I have a few thoughts.

1. The symbol in question may be some combination of futhark runes
(http://www.omniglot.com/writing/runic.htm). I don't consider this
likely, but it is possible.

2. The symbol in question, minus the "V" at the bottom, is
tantalizingly similar to the letter "janja" in the Coptic alphabet
(http://www.omniglot.com/writing/coptic.htm), inverted. This is the
closest I have found to the symbol you were interested in- nothing
else I have found comes close to the small "swoops" at the bottom of
the figure that turn back up. Oddly enough, one or two of the sigils
around the outside of the "wheel" also are similar to some of the
letters in the Coptic alphabet (see the character "khai" or "x").
However, these similarities are stretching it pretty thin.

3. Some of the symbols on the "wheel" also resemble letters of the
Greek alphabet- the cursive form, at least
(http://www.omniglot.com/writing/greek.htm). Once again, this is not
enough of a similarity to say that these are actual Greek letters.

4. Some of the symbols on the "wheel" also resemble letters of a
written alphabet called Dhives Akuru
(http://www.omniglot.com/writing/divehi.htm), which hasn't been used
since the 12th century, after the Islamic conversion of the Maldives.
Not likely, but still an interesting correspondence.

5. "Choronzon" is the name of a demon, which has its own symbols and
symoblism associated with it. I was unable to find any indication that
the symbol you're interested in was connected to the demon Choronzon,
however.

6. It's possible that this symbol, and the sigils on the album cover,
are merely made up, and have no basis in anything but the artist's
mind. This is my personal theory, although some of the correspondences
are interesting.

7. The symbols used also bear a remote, but interesting, resemblance
to the script in the Voynich manuscript, which I noted as soon as I
saw the whole album cover. The Voynich Manuscript is an oddity- a
medieval manuscript written entirely in an unknown language and has
never been translated. See http://www.voynich.nu for more info on it,
and samples of what the script looks like.

You could always contact the band and/or the album cover artist to
find out what the origin of the symbol was and why they used it on the
album cover. At this point, it's probably the most direct route.

Regards and best of luck,

Cyclometh-ga
Subject: Re: Occult symbol origin
From: cyclometh-ga on 03 Apr 2004 01:32 PST
 
I just had another thought and did a couple of quick looks around.
Given that the band Ackercocke's web site history page
(http://www.ackercocke.com- select "Band History" from the top menu. I
can't provide a direct link as the site is frame-driven) describes the
band as being heavily influenced by Satanism, and in particular
mentions "The Goat of Mendes".

The Goat of Mendes is another name for Baphomet, or the Judas Goat. It
is the central figure in modern Satanism. I don't wish to provide
links to any of the information I found directly as some of it is in
questionable taste. However, a search on "Baphomet Symbol" on Google
or "Baphomet" on Google Images produces a wealth of data.

While I found nothing that was exactly like the symbol you linked to,
I noted that the symbol might be a stylized rendition of Baphomet- the
two crossed lines at the bottom representing either the crossed legs
one normally sees in every picture of Baphomet, or possibly the cloven
hoof. The triangular shape at the top with the lines radiating could
represent the head and horns, while the small triangular areas might
represent the wings.

This is all pure speculation at this point, but I'd be interested to
hear if you thought this line of reasoning bore any weight at all.

Thanks and regards,

Cyclometh-ga
Subject: Re: Occult symbol origin
From: sefduau-ga on 25 May 2004 20:12 PDT
 
Duau isn't 'tomorrow'. Duau is 'today'.

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