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ending a long term living together relationship.
Category: Relationships and Society > Law Asked by: ethel-ga List Price: $2.00 |
Posted:
24 Jun 2002 08:47 PDT
Expires: 01 Jul 2002 08:47 PDT Question ID: 32370 |
What legal steps can be taken if one person owns the house and has all the bills in there name and the other person has lived there rent free for five years plus? There has been no violence just the fact that the one not paying does not want to let the other out of the relationship because they still think there is something to salvage. The parties are not married to one another they live in the state of Ohio. How can the owner force the other to get out and end the relationship? | |
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Re: ending a long term living together relationship.
Answered By: weisstho-ga on 24 Jun 2002 10:54 PDT Rated: |
Hello, ethel, May I suggest the following: 1. Ask the person to leave; 2. If they refuse, explain that you will be forced to have a court order them to leave; 3. If they still refuse, you have the following possible remedies: (A) Go down to your local courthouse and ask for an eviction notice - they should have a form that you fill out giving the other person seven days to move out. If they don't move out, then you will be able to ask a judge to order them evicted (this will be another form, which the courthouse staff will also have). Fill out the seven day notice form and give it to the other person. Follow all of the instruction on the form carefully. (B) IF YOU FEEL IN ANY SORT OF DANGER - please call the police and ask for assistance. They can assist you in filing for a personal protection or temporary restraining order. If you need to serve a notice to this person, may I respectfully request that you notify the police first of what you are going to do. Just in case there happens to be any trouble, they will be prepared. Someone is bound to wonder whether the relationship created a so called common-law marriage. Ohio does not recognize "common law marriages" unless they were created (a) in another state by operation of that other state's law, or (b) prior to 10/10/91. See: http://www.nolo.com/lawcenter/faqs/detail.cfm/objectid/709FAEE4-ABEA-4E17-BA34836388313A3C The bottom line is that this person is a tenant in your home. You are going to evict that person. You require the assistance of the court to evict, since we are not permitted to do that on our own. Some might suggest that you not approach this in a landlord/tenant context but rather in a trespass context. I don't know the specifics of reconciling landlord/tenant with trespass in Ohio, but if Ohio is like most states, the seven-day notice provision in the landlord act permits you to accomplish the same thing. Best of luck, and please, be careful. weisstho-ga Search Terms: ://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=Ohio+%22common+law+marriage%22 ://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=Ohio+%22landlord%2Ftenant+law%22 | |
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Re: ending a long term living together relationship.
From: dharbigt-ga on 24 Jun 2002 11:05 PDT |
I'm afraid I'm in broad disagreement with that answer, so I'm offering this alternative answer, although I hence forego the reward... I'd rather you come away with correct and useful information. Item A, under Ohio State Code, this relationship does not constitute a landlord/tenant relationship for lack of any rental agreement or remuneration on the part of the tenant, so there is no relationship between this situation and true tenancy. Item B, under Section 2901.03 of the Ohio statutes, common law rulings of any sort are abrogated, so the only way to be "married" in Ohio is to get married. The resolution is, rather, most likely to be fruitful on grounds of criminal trespass (Section 2911.21, Ohio statutes), to wit (this is a really long URL) [http://onlinedocs.andersonpublishing.com/revisedcode/text.cfm?GRDescription2=title%2029&GRDescription3=text%20of%20statute&GRStructure1=2911&GRStructure2=2911%2E21&TextField=%3CFD%3A%22Section%20Heading%22%3E%3CJD%3A%222911%2E21%22%3E%A7%202911%2E21%20Criminal%20trespass%2E%3C%2FFD%3A%22Section%20Heading%22%3E] Simply put, since the property is clearly in the hands of the party who wishes to part company, the request of the owner of the other party to abandon the premises (and remove any personal belongings) is sufficient warning before calling the police to remove the person. The owner of the property should be courteous in trying to return the second party's belongings, but there is no obligation to maintain protection over them under the law. Criminal trespass is a fourth degree misdemeanor, and if it is done with the intention of threatening or harming a person, it becomes a first degree misdemeanor. Of course, I agree with point (B) totally. Don't take chances with a confrontational situation. If you think things could get dodgy, arrange for a safe way to remove the offender's belongings and bar entrance. |
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Re: ending a long term living together relationship.
From: weisstho-ga on 24 Jun 2002 11:25 PDT |
I respectfully disagree with dharbigt - HOWEVER, IF there is any confusion, you may want to seek the assistance of an attorney - either retained counsel that you hire, or a legal aid attorney if you cannot afford to retain an attorney. Given the complexity of the personal and legal relationships, the intervention of an attorney is well warranted. Regards, weisstho-ga |
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Re: ending a long term living together relationship.
From: snapanswer-ga on 25 Jun 2002 22:32 PDT |
You may be passed this point, but I urge you to find a way to handle this that does not require court orders and police escorts. Your question is about two things... ending the relationship AND ending joint residence. I can only imagine that communication has become strained between both parties, otherwise, this difficult situation might have already been handled through the course of normal conversation. So here are some things to consider: 1) The party you are trying to sever ties with likely feels that they are losing twice over... losing an important relationship and losing a place to live that they have naturally come to consider "home" (not to mention living rent free). 2) One or both parties are probably angry and disappointed. These two factors are going to cloud both the break-up and the move out. But, as the person in the more dominant power position, you might consider setting aside some of your situation power to find a more equitable and cordial resolution. The more helpless and powerless the other party feels, the more they tend to struggle to find ways to resist and make things as difficult for you as possible. Also, part of why the other person may be choosing to linger at your home is that they hope to interact with you. In order to make the home a less attractive place to seek communication with you, you may consider temporarily staying with friends for a few weeks and not going by the house, thereby eliminating a potential motive for the other person to hang around. You might consider meeting the other party once every week at a location other than the home, such as lunch at a restaurant, to allow for any communication that needs to occur. Again, this diminishes the home as the place for communication (or confrontation). Depending upon your feelings towards the other person, you might indicate that you are willing to consider repairing the relationship, but, that you need them to find another residence while you resolve your issues. This separates the relationship and housing issues into digestable chunks. If they seem unwilling to move out after you ask them and you do not want to repair the relationship, you may find or contrive an occasion when the other party will be out of the house... at that time you or a friend might be able to pack up any belongings that belong to the other party. Once packed, you could have it moved to rental storage, such as Public Storage. Even if you end up paying a storage bill for a few months, you might find it means less interaction with a person you no longer wish to see at your home. (I do not suggest letting the storage bill lapse, unless you formally evict them and have the advice of an official or lawyer). If you fear physical harm or stalking, definitely notify the police. Unfortunately, if the person does not respect your boundaries, you may need to consider relocating. I do not know the details of your situation, and this is by no means legal advice. Perhaps the justice system is your only recourse. However, I did note in your question that you were seeking ways to "force" the other party to move. If the situation allows, you may find persuasion more effective. |
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Re: ending a long term living together relationship.
From: dubliner-ga on 26 Jun 2002 08:28 PDT |
That must be the best two dollars' worth of legal advice anyone ever got! |
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Re: ending a long term living together relationship.
From: weisstho-ga on 26 Jun 2002 19:57 PDT |
Snapanswer: Beautifully done. Excellent advice. |
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Re: ending a long term living together relationship.
From: aceresearcher-ga on 17 Nov 2002 15:18 PST |
ethel, I would like to say that I am in strong disagreement about taking off and staying with friends for a few weeks. Leaving the house in the custody of the non-rent-paying guest implies that they have a legitimate claim to be there. In addition, you have no idea what they will be doing with your property while you are gone. Your possessions may be damaged, destroyed, sold, or thrown away. "Changing the locks" is another thing that comes to my mind. If they did that, it would certainly require you to negotiate with or capitulate to them just in order to get back into your own home. I don't think you want to give them that sort of power. Instead, make sure that the two of you are sleeping in different rooms. That means that the "guest", NOT you, has to move into and sleep in the guest bedroom or other room. Spend as little time as possible in the "common" areas of the house, to limit the "guest"s access to you. When you are not at work, fix your dinner and take it into your bedroom to eat. Watch TV in your room. Keep your bedroom door shut. If the "guest" insists on bothering you, explain to them quite firmly that the shut door means "Don't bother me". Then ask them politely to leave you alone, and shut the door again. Both weisstho and dharbigt have made good suggestions. However, I would think that weisstho's suggestion should be the first thing you can try. It gives them official, written notice, a reasonable amount of time to comply, and is less confrontational. Calling the police to drag the "guest" out is always a viable option, but to avoid the possibility of such an action turning them into an angry, crazed person determined to get even, it should be as a last resort. Best wishes and good luck, aceresearcher |
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