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Subject: The Physician
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: buttonboy-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 06 Apr 2004 05:55 PDT
Expires: 06 May 2004 05:55 PDT
Question ID: 325961
This painting of a oil on canvas was suppose to have been painted in
1904 at The World Fair in St.Louis. We have been told that this
painting was commissioned by The Squibb Pharmaceutical Company. Who
was the Artist? and when was it truely painted? And were there any
reproductions made?

Request for Question Clarification by sublime1-ga on 07 Apr 2004 17:51 PDT
buttonboy...

Is there an image of this painting available on the internet,
or which can be uploaded so that we can see it?

sublime1-ga

Request for Question Clarification by sublime1-ga on 07 Apr 2004 20:00 PDT
buttonboy...

The Terms of Service prohibit Google Answers Researchers
form having personal contact with customers. Additionally,
you may want to email the editors at the link at the bottom
of this page so they can remove your email address from this
page and preclude the spam it may otherwise engender.

As for the image, you can register and upload your image to
one of the following free sites and then post the URL of the
image back on this page:

http://www.villagephotos.com 
http://www.deviantart.com 
http://www.usa-ezweb.com/ezfree

sublime1-ga

Clarification of Question by buttonboy-ga on 08 Apr 2004 05:09 PDT
Sublime

I'm sorry about asking for a contact e-mail address I guess I didn't
read all the rules ,my apology. I will post the painting at one of the
listings below. Thank you for the posting information. Please remember
that this painting is from the 1904 World Fair in St.Louis MO. better
know as the Louisanna Purchase Exhibition. The painting was
commissioned by The Squibb Pharmaceutical Company. This painting
actually at one time hung on the walls of Squibb and my son has been
trying to do a report on that ERA and the history of the painting
along the events of the Fair.

Thank You,
buttonboy

Clarification of Question by buttonboy-ga on 10 Apr 2004 15:49 PDT
Sublime

The painting of The Physician is now posted at VillagePhotos.com also
I've posted a picture of a painting by M.C. Haywood. That painting is
from the late 1890s or early 1900s. I really do not know how to link
to it but let me know if you can't see it.

Thanks

Buttonboy

Clarification of Question by buttonboy-ga on 10 Apr 2004 16:18 PDT
Sublime,

The URL @ Villagephotos.com is www.villagephotos.com/pubgallery.asp/id_=696469

Thank You
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Subject: Re: The Physician
Answered By: sublime1-ga on 10 Apr 2004 18:49 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
buttonboy...

For the sake of future readers, the corrected link to your
folder is:
http://www.villagephotos.com/pubgallery.asp?id_=696469

The direct link to the physician painting is:
http://www.villagephotos.com/viewpubimage.asp?id_=8480807&selected=846468

The direct link to the M.C. Haywood painting is:
http://www.villagephotos.com/viewpubimage.asp?id_=8480769&selected=846468


I had almost given up on this when a search on Google Images
for 'oil physician' turned up this page from the site of the
National Institute of Health, which indicates that the painting
is a "late 19th century oil painting [titled] The Doctor by 
artist Sir Luke Fildes":
http://www.nih.gov/news/NIH-Record/07_24_2001/story02.htm

It is further noted that the image:
"...provides the perfect illustration for 'Great Teachers,' a
 new Grand Rounds lecture series on contemporary clinical
 medicine that begins in September. Permission to borrow the
 image for series flyers was granted by Tate Gallery."

Armed with that information, I found replicas for sale,
such as this oil replica, from ArtistDecor.com, for $279:
http://www.artisticdecor.com/Figures/905.htm


I found the painting on the site of the Tate Gallery 
in London, where the original now hangs:
http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?cgroupid=999999961&workid=4277

Detailed display information is on this page:
http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?cgroupid=999999961&workid=4277&searchid=4579&tabview=display


The story of Henry Tate's donation of the Tate Gallery 
and the 65 paintings which first occupied it, is documented
on the homepage of Bob Speel, which is dedicated to 19th
century art:
http://www.speel.demon.co.uk/other/tategift.htm

Sir Samuel Luke Fildes is discussed on this page of the site:
http://www.speel.demon.co.uk/artists2/fildes.htm


According to the Dittrick Medical History Center site, a 
sub-site of the Case Western Reserve University site,
the painting was commissioned by Henry Tate in 1887.
There are also stories surrounding the origins of the
painting, but I cannot quote them here due to the 
copyright restrictions on that page:

"No part of the Aurora Project may be reproduced in any
 form without the prior written permission of the copyright
 holder."

I'm sure you will find the page itself informative:
http://www.cwru.edu/artsci/dittrick/imagepages/prints/fildes.htm


Multiple additional searches, documented below, were unable
to establish any connection between this painting or Sir Fildes
and the St Louis World Fair, or the Louisiana Purchase Exposition,
or the Squibb Pharmaceutical Company.

This doesn't necessarily mean that there is no connection. It
simply means that any connection that exists has not yet been
documented on the internet, since the internet did not exist
at the time, and this would require someone with knowledge of
the connections to document them.

It is possible that, since this painting has been remarkably
popular among those associated with the medical field, that
the copy you have is a reproduction commissioned by Squibb,
perhaps by an artist at the St Louis World Fair, though, since
(I gather) the painting you have is unsigned, it would be
extremely difficult to trace the artist who painted it.


There is evidence that your painting is an oil reproduction
of the original, which is available in a smaller size than
your image on the Tate Museum site:
http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?cgroupid=999999961&workid=4277&searchid=4579&tabview=image

...and in this print, for sale on the EasyArt.com site:
http://en.easyart.com/scripts/zoom/zoom.pl?nojs=1&pid=10559&affiliate_id=111

Close comparison between your painting and these images reveal
some obvious discrepancies:

1) Look at the arch in the front leg of the bench at the
head of the 'bed'. In the print, the arch is wider, and the
legs touching the floor at either end of the arch are smaller
in the print than in your painting.

2) Notice the obvious difference between the backrest boards
on the chair which supports the patient's middle.

3) Notice how much brighter is the light escaping through
the top of the shade on the oil lamp sitting on the table
beside the doctor, in the print, as opposed to your painting.

There are many other such discrepancies to be noted.


While I was unable to corroborate the information you were
given about the painting, I hope I have been successful in
shedding light on the painting, the artist, and other details
surrounding this painting and its background, which will be
of assistance to your son in his project.


Additional information can be gleaned from an exploration of
the links resulting from the Google searches, outlined below.

Please do not rate this answer until you are satisfied that
the answer cannot be improved upon by way of a dialog
established through the "Request for Clarification" process.

sublime1-ga


Search on Google Images:

oil physician
http://images.google.com/images?q=oil+physician


Searches done, via Google:

"the doctor" "Sir Luke Fildes"
://www.google.com/search?q=%22the+doctor%22+%22Sir+Luke+Fildes%22

"the doctor" Luke Fildes Squibb
://www.google.com/search?q=%22the+doctor%22+Luke+Fildes+Squibb

"the doctor" Luke Fildes "St Louis"
://www.google.com/search?q=%22the+doctor%22+Luke+Fildes+%22St+Louis%22

"the doctor" Luke Fildes "World Fair"
://www.google.com/search?q=%22the+doctor%22+Luke+Fildes+%22World+Fair%22

Luke Fildes "Louisiana Purchase Exhibition"
://www.google.com/search?q=Luke+Fildes+%22Louisiana+Purchase+Exhibition%22

"Luke Fildes" "the doctor" reproduction
://www.google.com/search?q=%22Luke+Fildes%22+%22the+doctor%22+reproduction

Request for Answer Clarification by buttonboy-ga on 11 Apr 2004 05:16 PDT
Dear Sublime1,

You are very good at what you do and I'm very sorry about not
providing you with a better link to the painting. Everything I've read
that you poated along with the links are so informing and whenmy son
gets up he has alot of home work to complete.

In regards to the painting I truely believe that the links you have
provided are real detailed in explaining the history of this painting.
I guess what we have is a replica, however what I want you to know, is
that attached to this paninting on the back is a post card from the
early 20s or so and it is a copy of the painting the doctor, at the
bottom of this card in type caption is " The Physician" well any how
as you stated it more than likely a replica but a very old one and in
due justice I'm going to remove it from the frame to examine it closer
for a signature.

Thank You,

You, Your Good

Buttonboy

Request for Answer Clarification by buttonboy-ga on 11 Apr 2004 06:55 PDT
Dear Sublime,

Thanks for your help, my son asked me to get a picture of the card "
The Physician " posted at villagephotos.com, this photo will be from a
card that was attached to the back of The Physician which is really "
The Doctor " We think it is interesting how the name of this painting
could actually change as time progressed.

You have brought a true sense of what his report will reflect. Its
amazing how a good researcher can add to the value of history.

Thank You.

I will post the card later today at villagephotos.com and you can see
how things can get confused. My sons report will now change from " The
Physician " to " The Doctor " he should get an A+.

At least he's armed with true knowledge.....

Buttonboy

Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 11 Apr 2004 08:53 PDT
Buttonboy...

It is indeed a fascinating detail that there is a postcard 
from the 20s on the back of the painting with the title
'The Physician'. It makes me wonder if this was what was
used by the artist who painted your replica.

It has me imagining a scene at the St Louis World Fair where,
instead of the portrait or caricature artist one might find
on the boardwalks of today, there sat an artist with a full
palette of oils, painting replicas from whatever image was
given him. If the artist worked from a postcard, it would
also explain some of the obvious discrepancies in his final
product.

Then again, perhaps someone simply saw the postcard after
the fact and attached it to the back of the painting as a
reference.

I look forward to seeing the image of the postcard after
you add it to your VillagePhotos folder.

Thank you very much for the high praise and generous tip.
It was a pleasure assisting you in this quest.

Warm regards...

sublime1-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by buttonboy-ga on 11 Apr 2004 13:17 PDT
Dear Sublime.

Don't mention the tip you deserve it, I'll try and get the card posted
at villagephotos.com and I guess it will be in the buttonboy photo
gallery, I'm kind of new to this computer stuff and posting things.

I need to take the painting to an art restoration person because there
is a signature you just can't see it.

Thank You

buttonboy

Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 11 Apr 2004 13:40 PDT
Buttonboy...

There's no hurry. Take your time. It might help to know
that whenever you click on the 'Clarify Question' button,
your post becomes a 'Request for Answer Clarification',
as you can see in your post above. This shows up as a
red flag on the question from my end, and requires that
I post a Clarification to clear the flag. That's okay,
but unless you're actually asking for further information,
you can avoid this by placing your remarks in the Comment
section, where we can continue a dialog without setting
up flags.

Best regards...

sublime1-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by buttonboy-ga on 11 Apr 2004 13:56 PDT
Dear Sublime,

I've posted the card at villagephotos.com, now I'm going to ask if you
would like another interesting task. I'm posting another research
question and the painting will be at the same place.

Thanks

Buttonboy

Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 11 Apr 2004 14:49 PDT
Buttonboy...

The postcard is interesting indeed. The lighting seems to
provide better detail than any of the other images I've
found, and the name 'The Physician' is intriguing.

As for another task, of course I'm interested. If you wish
to request me specifically, you can just include my nick
in the question title, e.g., 'Another painting - for 
sublime1-ga only'. If I am unable to do it justice, I can
open it up to the researchers-at-large.

I must also tell you that I have a day job, so I might not
always be as available as I have been for the past few days.
If time is not a critical factor, I'll be happy to work with
you again.

Best regards...

sublime1-ga
buttonboy-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $50.00

Comments  
Subject: Re: The Physician
From: pafalafa-ga on 12 Apr 2004 08:01 PDT
 
Very nice detective work!  Hats off to sublime-ga.

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