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Subject: Copyright of old book
Category: Business and Money
Asked by: booski-ga
List Price: $25.00
Posted: 24 Jun 2002 15:52 PDT
Expires: 24 Jul 2002 15:52 PDT
Question ID: 32602
I want to locate the copyright holders to a book that's out of print,
from a publisher that's out of business. The book is Intrepid Sailor,
the company is (or was) Cresset Publishers.
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Subject: Re: Copyright of old book
Answered By: missy-ga on 24 Jun 2002 17:50 PDT
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
Hello, booski,

According to a search at the Library of Congress ( http://www.loc.gov
), "Intrepid Sailor" (ISBN #0936082046) was written by Samuel Sobel,
and copyright 1980.  A bit of searching about reveals that "Intrepid
Sailor" is a collection of essays discussing the life and career of
Commodore Uriah P. Levy, the first Jewish American ever to attain the
rank of Commodore (equivalent to today's Admiral, a hero of the War of
1812, and known for ending the barbaric practice of flogging:

Uriah P. Levy: A Naval Hero Who Ended the Practice of Flogging
http://www.fau.edu/library/brody8.htm

( Another link, which may be of some interest, briefly mentions Mr.
Sobel as a biographer of Uriah Levy:

Chapter One: Stealing Monticello
http://www.savingmonticello.com/excerpts/chap1.html )

The following reference provided me with the necessary clue:

"Reference: A74
Author: Sobel, Samuel
Title: "The Savior of Monticello" and "The Case of the Wandering
Statue"
Publication: Intrepid Sailor
Publisher: Cresset Publishers,
Place of Publication: Philadelphia:
Date: (1980)
Extent: 25-60.
Notes: In a collection of essays about Commodore Uriah P. Levy, these
two focus on Levy's admiration of TJ and his purchase of Monticello
and efforts to restore it and preserve it for the people of the United
states and on his commissioning of the statue of TJ by David d'Angers
and his subsequent presentation of it to the U. S."

Thomas Jefferson: A Comprehensive Annotated Bibliography
Works from the 1980's
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/jefferson/bibliog/Dates/1980.html 

A bit of a roundabout way of discovering what other things Mr. Sobel
may have written about, but the heavy emphasis on Judaica confirmed
that the next bit was relevant to the search:

Mr. Sobel is also listed at the Library of Congress as the Editor of a
book called "Jewish Sea Stories" (ISBN #0824603095), copyright 1985,
published by Jonathan David Publishers of of Middle Village, New York.
 Jonathan David, as luck would have it, is still in business!

To contact Mr. Sobel (or his estate, if he has passed on), write in
care of:

Jonathan David Publishers, Inc.
68-22 Eliot Avenue
Middle Village, NY 11379-1194


Thank you so much for your intriguing question.  I hope this
information aids you in your search!

missy-ga

Search strategy included:  United States Library of Congress search
"Intrepid Sailor" and "Sobel, Samuel".  Alibris search "Sobel,
Samuel".  Google search on [ "Intrepid Sailor" "Samuel Sobel" ], [
"Cresset Publishers" ]...which led to
[ "Uriah P. Levy" "Samuel Sobel" ] and [ "Jonathan David Publishers" ]

Request for Answer Clarification by booski-ga on 25 Jun 2002 03:57 PDT
Insofar as J. David Publishers is not able to help me contact his
estate, (I will ask again), how might I contact the present copyright
holder directly?

Clarification of Answer by missy-ga on 25 Jun 2002 07:52 PDT
Hi again, booski,

Unless Mr. Sobel willed his copyright to someone, *he* is the current
copyright holder - The Sonny Bono Copyright Extension Act of 1998
states that the creator of a work retains copyright until 70 years
after his death, unless s/he has explicitly transferred it to someone
else.  I recently dealt with a copyright question, the answer
explaining what happens to an author's copyright after his or her
death is here:

Copyrights after an author's death
https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=21037

The only way to discover whether he had willed his copyright to
anyone, alas, is to contact his estate.  If you know the names of his
next of kin (you would need to know where and when he died to search
for an obituary), you may be able to contact his estate in that
manner.

I'm sorry I wasn't able to get any further than J. David.  Good luck
in your search!

missy-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by booski-ga on 25 Jun 2002 14:39 PDT
Hi Allan,

Thank you for your email. This information is best posted as an answer
clarification on Google Answers.

To clarify your question, first log in.  Go to your question.  You should
see the 'clarification' button at the top of question header.

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Original Message Follows:
------------------------
From: Allan Levine <aelevine@rogers.com>
Subject: another kick at the cat
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:01:48 -0400

Just another note to say how much I appreciate all the work missy and
her colleagues have done regarding Sam, but I have just gotten off the
phone with JD publications, New York, and they assure me that all
relevant records have long since been toasted.

Since the claimant still appears to be Sam, and since Sam's dead, I'm a
little stuck, as before.

25 bucks is a lot less than hiring a lawyer, so I'll sweeten the deal by
offering a cold Canadian beer to any of you who might be able to help me
further, the very next time you're north of the border.

With much appreciation,



allan levine,
Toronto

Clarification of Answer by missy-ga on 25 Jun 2002 16:53 PDT
Oh, wow.  Booski, thank you so much for sharing that.

I'm glad to have tried to help, even if it didn't get you any further.
 I often stumble across odd things in my research.  If I should happen
to find anything else, I will definitely post it here.

Warmest regards,
missy-ga
booski-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars
Regrettably, I have already contacted the very people that you have
advised me to contact, and they were of no help. But your effort was
very good.

Comments  
Subject: Re: Copyright of old book
From: arlenegreen-ga on 24 Jun 2002 18:58 PDT
 
Missy-

Are you that you can search the US copyright office records in much
more user friendly way than the old LOCIS interface? Just for future
reference, check out this:

http://www.copyright.gov/records/

You end up with a record that looks like this:

Registered Works Database (Title Search)

Search For: INTREPID SAILOR
Item 1 of 1 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Registration Number:    TX-603-628  
Title:    Intrepid sailor / Samuel Sobel. 
Imprint:    Philadelphia : Cresset Publishers, c1980. 
Description:    121 p.ISBN: ISBN 0-936082-04-6. 
Claimant:    Samuel Sobel 
Created:    1980 
 
Published:    1Sep80 
 
Registered:    24Dec80
 
Special Codes:   1/B/L//A 


Which tells you everything you need to know. Not all the interesting
information you dug up...but it might shorten your search time in the
future. :)
Subject: Re: Copyright of old book
From: missy-ga on 24 Jun 2002 19:14 PDT
 
Hi arlene!

The problem is that the publisher of record, Cresset, has gone out of
business, which made tracking down Mr. Sobel a little more
complicated.  So there was a bit more digging to do...not that I
minded - I'm actually mired in pages about Commodore Levy right this
instant!  (Pretty nifty fellow, I've gone and gotten sidetracked in
the reading...research does that...)

Thank you for the tip, though, I've added it to my "Research Stuff"
bookmark collection!

missy
Subject: Re: Copyright of old book
From: arlenegreen-ga on 24 Jun 2002 21:07 PDT
 
Hey Missy-

I just mentioned it because the copyright office search tells you who
the claimant actually is without having to jump through the hoops...

Most helpful when the copyright claimant isn't the publisher or the
author, which does happen. Makes it easier to track down the people
you need for quoting purposes etc...

That and I really like the new interface. Much less clunky than the
LOCIS one.

You did a bang up job, I'm just compulsively helpful. My children will
hate me for that someday. ;)

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