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Addition of alkyl groups to phenol
Category: Science > Chemistry Asked by: khordas-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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25 Jun 2002 01:47 PDT
Expires: 25 Jul 2002 01:47 PDT Question ID: 32790 |
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Re: Addition of alkyl groups to phenol
Answered By: archamedesii-ga on 29 Jun 2002 09:09 PDT Rated: |
Ok, I will give it a shot, if you are not happy then feel free to resubmit. I am not an organic chemistry major and in fact have not done any chemistry since, well a long time ago. I am not really sure what you are trying to make but with the help of our ever favorite Google search engine I came up with a few sites that might answer your question or at least point you in the right direction. This page is called the Index for Organic Chemistry Online and it includes practice questions: http://www.cem.msu.edu/~reusch/OrgPage/VirtualText/intro1b.htm Dr. David Woodcock at the Okanagan University College has this page with a lot of good stuff: http://people.ouc.bc.ca/woodcock/molecule/molecule.html Then there is 11th hour Organic Chemistry I&II: http://www.blackwellscience.com/11thhour/book6/oc2ch3.html Again I am not entirely sure of what exactly you are looking for but these at least looked like a good place to start. By using complex search terms, sometimes you can tease out a website with just exactly what you want. In this case the terms I used were: organic chemistry phenols Organic Chemistry 2,6 (alkyl)phenol Approx. 2800 hits so I am sure that one of those will get you what you need. |
khordas-ga
rated this answer:
thanks for the prompt answer. Sorry it took so long to get a rating posted. The sites you posted for me have been helpful, and while I haven't been able to work out a definitive synthesis, I'm closer. |
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Re: Addition of alkyl groups to phenol
From: seedy-ga on 25 Jun 2002 03:45 PDT |
Forty-year-rusty organic chemistry....Could you start with meta xylene?? creating the phenol from it?? Sulfonate the meta xylene then use alkali fusion rather than trying to alkylalate the phenol?? seedy |
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Re: Addition of alkyl groups to phenol
From: rogerman-ga on 25 Jun 2002 08:23 PDT |
Hello I think the product you are looking for is 2,6-di alkyl phenol.A well known product from this group is 2,6-ditertiary butyl phenol .These type of products are usually synthesised from phenol and C4 (isobutylene).The catalyst used is Sulfuric acid or some other acid catalyst.The alkylated phenols find use as resin intermediates and antioxidants for polymers.You could look up the process details in Foerst's volumes or Olah's books on Friedel Craft's synthesis.The reactions are not very difficult to conduct Best Luck |
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Re: Addition of alkyl groups to phenol
From: claypole-ga on 25 Jun 2002 10:41 PDT |
Hi There, An interesting alternative synthetic strategy for 2,6-dialkyphenols would be to use a directed ortho metallation strategy. Whilst phenol is a general ortho/para director for electrophillic substitution, O-alkylphenols (in particular O-methyl) are excellent substrates for ortho metallation/electophile quench. Thus treatment of phenol with NaH then MeI will give methyl phenyl ether (anisole); treatment of this with a strong base at low temp. (e.g. tert-butyl lithium at -78 C) followed by an electrophile quench (e.g. MeI EtI D2O etc.) will give an ortho substituted anisole. Subsequent re-treatment of this with strong base and an electrophile would then give a 2,6-disubstituted anisole (steric considerations aside). The O-methyl group could then be cleaved with an acid (e.g. boron tribromide) to give the 2,6-disubstituted phenol. Given that the question hints at the sequence that the reactants are used in, you could accomplish the synthesis of 2,6-dimethylphenol using only phenol, methyl iodide and a stong base - all in the correct order of course. That said, you would only really consider this route for asymmetric disubstituted phenols. Have fun. |
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Re: Addition of alkyl groups to phenol
From: seedy-ga on 30 Jun 2002 04:17 PDT |
Although I have not been able to find a specific reaction mechanism to create a significant quantity of 2,6 alkyl phenol, I have found a significant supplier of 2,6 xylenol which I have suggested as a possible precurser to your final product. You may wish to contact their research department to determine if anyone there can assist you in turning the 2,6 xylenol into a phenol. From Chemical Week, 11/1/2000, Vol. 162 Issue 41, p39, 1/2p " Schenectady's O-Cresol Schenectady International (Schenectady, NY) will bring onstream 20,000 m.t./year of ortho-cresol and 2,6-xylenol capacity at its Freeport, TX site late next year. A debottlenecking of the methylation unit at the site will make possible the o-cresol and 2,6-xylenol production that will supply Schenectady's requirements and growing external market demand. O-cresol is used in solvents, disinfectants, and cleaners. " They do make a meta alkyl phenol 2,6 DI-tert-BUTYLPHENOL Hope this information helps in your quest. seedy |
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Re: Addition of alkyl groups to phenol
From: seedy-ga on 30 Jun 2002 04:18 PDT |
Sorry, I left off the URL for Schenectady International http://www.siigroup.com/products/ProductLine.asp?LineID=8 seedy |
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Re: Addition of alkyl groups to phenol
From: jlchem-ga on 28 Jul 2002 11:21 PDT |
If you are trying to make 2,6 dialkyl phenol you are looking to make, here is how I would go about doing it (of course this implies that your alkyl groups are the same in both positions): Since the hydroxyl group is ortho/para directing, and phenol is cheap, add a meta directing blocking group such as NO2 to the para position. Depending on possible shifts in your alkyl group use either a friedel-crafts alkylation or acylation (followed by either the clemmenson or wolff-kischner reduction for the acylation), then reduce off the NO2 first with SnCl2 to turn it into the amine and then removal via a diazonium salt (treatment with nitrous acid at low temperatures, then clavage with aqueous phosphoric acid). Sure it's not elegant, but short of construction of an aromatic ring using lots of nasty reagents it's probably the easiest way to go about doing it. Enjoy |
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Re: Addition of alkyl groups to phenol
From: khordas-ga on 28 Jul 2002 17:57 PDT |
Thanks to jlchem-ga. That was the step by step sort of process I was looking for. It looks like it should work, and it follows the form of lots of earlier answers to similar questions in the text. Should have been able to work that out for myself.... I DID consider the nitrate, but in my notes, it looks like I wrote down an incorrect set of directing proporties for it. Thanks again. Khordas |
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Re: Addition of alkyl groups to phenol
From: jlchem-ga on 29 Jul 2002 17:51 PDT |
One thing to add - you should be able to separate the ortho/para isomers after you nitrate the ring by distillation - the ortho will distill off first. Isolate the para-nitrophenol (and keep in mind it is related to picric acid so may be explosive) and go to town. Enjoy. |
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Re: Addition of alkyl groups to phenol
From: jlchem-ga on 29 Jul 2002 18:07 PDT |
Sorry, one more forgotten thing - be sure when nitrating the ring to use a stoichiometric amount of nitric acid so you *don't* make trinitrophenol (picric acid)! |
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Re: Addition of alkyl groups to phenol
From: khordas-ga on 30 Jul 2002 06:00 PDT |
I would expect that mononitration of phenol would result mostly in mononitrophenol, a scant amount of dinitrophenol, and a very small amount of picric acid. My texts suggest that phenol is very easy to nitrate, so this is a plausable step. It DOES look like mononitration of phenol would lead to a mixture of ortho and para nitrated phenol, of which only the para isomer is of use for the final product. Like you said, not neccesarily the elegant way, but it sounds like it should work. I'd expect to see melting point differences in the isomers, so the separation should be pretty straightforward if I ever try the reactions. (should go back and take a few college courses over. wonder if the local uni would let an old grad do an independent study in organic synthesis) Khordas |
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Re: Addition of alkyl groups to phenol
From: jlchem-ga on 30 Jul 2002 18:14 PDT |
I recently had to separate similar ortho and para isomers, and a good rule of thumb is that the ortho isomers will distill off long before the para isomers because the hydrogen bonding in ortho isomers is intramolecular, whereas in para isomers it is intermolecular. Since the ortho isomers are not sticking to each other as strongly as the para isomers they will distill first. Enjoy |
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Re: Addition of alkyl groups to phenol
From: jlchem-ga on 30 Jul 2002 18:17 PDT |
Also, you are correct: the nitro group is electron withdrawing from the ring, so the addition of multiple nitro groups is less favored. What I meant was to not use a massive excess of nitric acid, so you make it even less favored. |
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